been disabled gets u locked with cannibals

Yrkoon said:
this scares the hell out of me https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...half-locked-no-conviction-crime-autistic.html

i am also autistic and that is making me **** bricks and i find it sickening.

massive disgrace tbh the poor guy ripped away from his family because some ned/chav guys took advantage of him and still been denied proper access to his family and locked up worse than people that murder.

can we get a fund raiser going for that guy?

one of the few times when a daily fail head line is accurate.
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But do you have severe learning difficulties or have the mental age of a 6 year old? Stop reading the daily mail, you'll be a lot better off.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think the real story is he as been recommended to be released. But so far he hasn't been.
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Aye

In which case it can be that he's no longer considered dangerous enough for where he is to be the only option, but there is nowhere else for him to go where they can guarantee they'll be able to meet his specific needs and be able to monitor him/prevent him becoming a danger to himself or others.

A friend's mother had Alzheimer's and ended up in hospital during the height of the pandemic due to IIRC various injuries/falls, and ended up spending most of her last year in there until she passed away because there was no way to get her out into her own house as there wasn't the support from social services etc available:( (and her only family lived far enough away, with young children and their own health issues that they were not an option).

There is a balancing act between the rights of the individual, and the threat to their own safety/the public when there are serious mental health/development/degenerative issues.
 
I mean, this last sentence on that click-bait headline tells you all you need to know:

He lashed out in frustration, ruling out any chance of discharge.
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He was violent towards hospital staff, therefore he was deemed at risk to the public.
 
Yrkoon said:
i am also autistic and that is making me **** bricks and i find it sickening.
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Let's be realistic, you've likely got little in common with this guy, might as well be a different condition... there's a huge difference between mildly autistic people; likes trains, a bit socially awkward, maybe a fussy eater and the severely autistic people like this guy who can be violent, perhaps go non-verbal and have the mental age of a small child.
 
If the article carry's any weight of truth then it really does come across as a story of a vulnerable human getting put away as the alternative is not in place. thats a failing of the local authority to do its job. 15 years for a non felon costing the tax payer £250k a year really should be questioned.
 
LizardKing said:
If the article carry's any weight of truth then it really does come across as a story of a vulnerable human getting put away as the alternative is not in place. thats a failing of the local authority to do its job. 15 years for a non felon costing the tax payer £250k a year really should be questioned.
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It's not a deep mystery.

The local council needs to allocate £??k a year from their pocket for full time care because they know he has LDA and they know he has violent moments.

I'm not even sure what the number is because the DM article states its 14-80k for "LDA patients requiring a lower level of supervision". Lower than what he has? Or is he in that lower level of supervision category?

Or, it costs them £0 of their budget to let the NHS pay £250k a year forever.

It's a decision above the local council to sort out the money. And then someone/agency has to want the responsibility of being the carer for a full grown adult with LDA and violent moments.
 
LizardKing said:
If the article carry's any weight of truth then it really does come across as a story of a vulnerable human getting put away as the alternative is not in place
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Two carers used to bring a young man called Andy to our gigs who was massively autistic but mildly violent.
The mildly violent bit was he would grab my (our) arm and it would be like it was in a vice and he bruised me several times while his carers are trying to grab him off me and apologizing.
He had a total of 6x carers during the day so I can't imagine what it would be like to care for somebody who was properly violent.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Two carers used to bring a young man called Andy to our gigs who was massively autistic but mildly violent.
The mildly violent bit was he would grab my (our) arm and it would be like it was in a vice and he bruised me several times while his carers are trying to grab him off me and apologizing.
He had a total of 6x carers during the day so I can't imagine what it would be like to care for somebody who was properly violent.
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dang that is messed up, my view point is changing a bit from my initial kneejerk drunken reaction to the article, but apparently he should have been released but the authoritys are dragging their heels which means this particular guy is most likely not violent and they simply can't be arsed to find the care he needs.

then as has been mentioned there is this flip side of a mentally competant nutter, probably trying to use disability as an excuse for his previous attacks on the public, sorry another daily fail link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...anger-25-shoving-charity-worker-pier-sea.html

"Following the verdict, it emerged that Foster has a number of previous convictions, including assaulting a staff member at a Costa coffee shop in Helensburgh in 2018."

some one like that out smarted the system and roamed free while one with a mental power of a 6 year old has not had the chance to have a life.....

i reckon the system is knackered.
 
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From what I've watched on some videos, and noticed on twitter with a few people I follow, it can be very tough looking after someone with some forms of autism. Sadly violence seems to be part of it. From the parents of some of these kids it can be hard to deal with when they are young. But as they grow older it can be very hard to deal with i.e. the person is attacking their parents.

What's more is that its a catch-22 situation for many parents as they dont want to get the police involved, though sadly the cops do get called to many of these cases.

From what I understand there are still care homes that they can go to for respite care. I'm not sure if they are permanent places or not. But here does seem to be a violent side of some versions of autism, not all.

I find it a bit unbelievable that there is no alternative place for this guy to be in, when there are others like him not in his situation.
 
BowdonUK said:
From what I've watched on some videos, and noticed on twitter with a few people I follow, it can be very tough looking after someone with some forms of autism. Sadly violence seems to be part of it. From the parents of some of these kids it can be hard to deal with when they are young. But as they grow older it can be very hard to deal with i.e. the person is attacking their parents.

What's more is that its a catch-22 situation for many parents as they dont want to get the police involved, though sadly the cops do get called to many of these cases.

From what I understand there are still care homes that they can go to for respite care. I'm not sure if they are permanent places or not. But here does seem to be a violent side of some versions of autism, not all.

I find it a bit unbelievable that there is no alternative place for this guy to be in, when there are others like him not in his situation.
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Respite care is basically somewhere someone who needs care can go for a short period of time to give their normal carers some respite, for example my local authority operates a couple for the elderly and children with disabilities so that the carers can get a few days off (and for example have a holiday themselves, take the time to just rest, or to do work around the house that isn't possible otherwise).
It's never intended for long term use, and is usually heavily over subscribed even with the average stay being a week or less.

The problem with providing care for someone who is both developmentally challenged and violent is that to comply with the legally required level of protection both for the public and the person themselves (not to mention staff) you can need a very high number of "full time" professionals, and suitable accommodation. Unfortunately I suspect with this instance that might mean a team of 8-12 minimum if he was in more open accommodation (you need enough dedicated staff to potentially restrain him and offer assistance to each other at all time, that means 2-3 people at once, working probably 3 shifts with another to allow for time off etc). If they're in a secure accommodation that number can be reduced significantly because you'll have "floating" staff who are available.
I don't agree with it happening, but I can completely see the reasons why it's happening, and how hard it could be for them to make changes, especially when the choice might be to spend the money on him (and still have a potentially barely acceptable risk level), or spend it on potentially dozens of others if they're not getting funding specifically for him*

Something that I don't think has been mentioned much, is that if he's as bad as it seems, there is a very good chance they'll need to be making sure he doesn't hurt himself as well, which makes things even harder outside of very controlled and purpose built facilities.

*It's the reason in schools "statemented" special needs pupils have funding allocated to them, not the school as it means any additional help they get is earmarked for them only and not coming out of the schools general budget.
 
When I was locking people up for a living a great many I encountered were in there because there weas not enough secure hospitals for them to get the care they needed.

And there most certainly wasn't any form of satusfactory care once they were inside.

Shocking really
 
What I noticed working in adult social care at the council was that bad behaviour like aggression was often the result of the placement someone was in, people in supported living schemes with regular carers that they were familiar with and a routine tended to have far less or no violent outbursts compared to being in a hospital placement or a supported living placement where carer turnover was like a revolving door.
 
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