Been out of the loop and need a little help.

Russ holmes

Russ holmes

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Sons GPU popped at weekend. He's decided rather than just replace the 3080. He wants to build a new one. I might have a bash at repasting his GPU and maybe passing the system on to someone. It's 5 years old ish but still a decent system
I've built the last couple but it's been a few years and I'm way behind on specs. If I list what we've picked could anyone have a look to see if we've made any mistakes or wasted any budget.

Also I'm really struggling with the mobo. Don't know which to get, The b650 , x870 , b850. The e versions. If anyone could recommend which to go for. That would be great.

We've gone with.

CPU, Ryzen 7 9700x,
GPU, Gigabyte 5070Ti eagle oc
RAM, Corsair vengeance 32gb ddr5 cl30
PSU, Corsair RM850e
Storage, Samsung 990 pro 2tb PCie4 Nvme
Case. Corsair 3500x
Cooler, Corsair Nautilus or Arctic Freezer 36
Fans, 3x Corsair RS 120

Thanks in advance.
 
Unless you need multiple NVME's running at full speed, USB4, and all the silly things that should come standard nowadays, just go B850 :)
I'd go for the Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 360MM over the louder Corsair, you simply cannot beat the Arctic, be it noise or performance, it just destroys everything, and is far cheaper, and proven reliable, so you cant loose :)

Beware Corsair fans can have an annoying noise to them (IIRC it was Corsair, but double check) that you may or may not find annoying - but I'm 90% sure it was Corsair, that did this, as they had this issue with fans on an AIO I nearly bought, but still check, as I am an idiot :D

The rest looks great :) You might want CL28 ram, but I might be wrong, so I'll let @Tetras fix that for me ;) but 6000MT/S is the sweet spot :)
 
Russ holmes said:
Also I'm really struggling with the mobo. Don't know which to get, The b650 , x870 , b850. The e versions. If anyone could recommend which to go for. That would be great.
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B650: only if really cheap, it may need a BIOS update for 9000 series CPUs and there's no PCI-E 5.0 graphics officially on these boards.
B650E: this is fine (PCI-E 5.0 graphics required), but as above with the BIOS.
B850: what I'd look at first, almost all have PCI-E 5.0 graphics and won't need a BIOS update.
X870: adds USB4, but this can have downsides in lane sharing with M.2 slots.

deviation said:
You might want CL28 ram, but I might be wrong, so I'll let @Tetras fix that for me ;) but 6000MT/S is the sweet spot :)
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Don't ask me, I'd use any old junk, though non-X3D CPUs are better off with not too mediocre memory. With the price increases lately, I'd be deal hunting more than anything.
 
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Tetras said:
B650: only if really cheap, it may need a BIOS update for 9000 series CPUs and there's no PCI-E 5.0 graphics officially on these boards.
B650E: this is fine (PCI-E 5.0 graphics required), but as above with the BIOS.
B850: what I'd look at first, almost all have PCI-E 5.0 graphics and won't need a BIOS update.
X870: adds USB4, but this can have downsides in lane sharing with M.2 slots.


Don't ask me, I'd use any old junk, though non-X3D CPUs are better off with not too mediocre memory. With the price increases lately, I'd be deal hunting more than anything.
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:cry: Same!

Either way I doubt he can loose with CL30 :) So hopefully the rest of what I said, at least, was fine haha ;) :D
 
Russ holmes said:
CPU, Ryzen 7 9700x
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The current meta is either: 7600 or 9600x unless you need 8 cores. If just for gaming then consider 7600x3d or 7800x3d or 9800x3d depending on your budget.

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PSU, Corsair RM850e
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This is a distinctly average PSU so don't pay top dollar for it

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GPU, Gigabyte 5070Ti eagle oc
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Unless you need/want ray tracing performance or need to stick to the Nvidia software ecosystem consider a 9070xt instead. Much cheaper for basically the same rasterisation performance.

Russ holmes said:
Cooler, Corsair Nautilus
Fans, 3x Corsair RS 120
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I wouldn't pay top dollar just for the brand name.
 
Thanks everyone. Took the advise.. He likes the case. So going for the non RGB version and swopped out the Corsair cooler and fans for the arctic 360 and a pack of 3 matching fans.
Since he's chosen the gigabyte GPU we've chosen the Gigabyte B850 Aorus elite Ice ATX mobo.
( Trying to keep everything white )
. I'm open to any advise or suggestions on PSU and Ram. The PSU looked a good price but if it's no good id rather know and swop it out. And Ram there's too many to choose. So I lazily picked white Corsair ones. There all about the £150 mark so if there's a better alternative please let me know.
Last question. ( Probably not ). Is it ok to install everything on one Nvme. Or should we get a smaller 1tb one for windows and keep the 2tb for just his games.. I'm about £200 over budget already. So can't go any more. But if I can save some on PSU / Ram to squeeze in more storage that would be good. If not we can add more later.
Thanks again.

Oh. Lastly. I've tried with the AMD cards. He's dead set on sticking with Nvidia. Don't know why. It's his just out of warranty defected founders 3080 that's made this happen.

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Well you answered some of my questions.
I was going to suggest Arctic cooler and matching case fans, and the Gigabyte Aorus Elite B850 was a pretty nice build experience here recently with a 9000 series CPU. My lad did his build at the weekend in a white NZXT H6 Flow

Corsair Ram, 32gb 6000Mts, C30/36/36/76 at £150 in white was his choice, though he went non RGB.
Be aware in that case you can see the PSU through the shroud, so I would advice a white model.

He started with a 2tb NVMe for all his stuff, he will simply add another in the future for his music projects, then another for his games. 2tb seems to be a better value for GB per £1.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £307.97 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

Personally I think the 9070xt is better value than the 5070ti, and at least with AMD your not paying too much for a white vs black card, but kids usually have different ideas. Your at £900 for a white Gigabyte 5070Ti eagle oc. And there is not £300 worth of difference between them. And after Christmas we will have 5070 Supers with 18gb and 5070ti with 24gb costing even more money.
£900 for a white 5070ti seem's crazy when you can litterally pick up a 5080 for £60 more. Yet no one will spend £200 more on a 5080 over a 5070ti due to how close the performance is, which is crazy considering there is even less of a difference between the 9070xt and 5070ti in so many games. I get the point if there is something that the Nvidia does for that £300, or if like my son, it's money he worked and saved for.
For me a black or grey GPU simply looks off in a white build, so it would have to be white.

Also the Gigabyte 5070Ti eagle oc. It's showing as SFF and pre order, SFF is more compact. Not sure if that is relevant as it still looks pretty big?

Lad was sitting paying Dark Souls at 4k, and the GPU fans were idle, not sure if it's due to the two BeQuiet 140mm fans in the base of the case lol.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £607.98 (includes delivery: £7.99)​
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My basket at OcUK:

Total: £907.98 (includes delivery: £7.99)​
 
Seasonic Focus GX-850 ATX 3.1 850W 80 Gold Modular Power Supply - White
POW-SSC-03192
£150 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - White
MEM-CRS-05813
£150 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Sapphire Pure Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming OC 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-SPR-03982
£650 (incl. VAT)
£600 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Eagle OC Ice SFF 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-GIG-04140
£900 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
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Russ holmes said:
Thanks everyone. Took the advise.. He likes the case. So going for the non RGB version and swopped out the Corsair cooler and fans for the arctic 360 and a pack of 3 matching fans.
Since he's chosen the gigabyte GPU we've chosen the Gigabyte B850 Aorus elite Ice ATX mobo.
( Trying to keep everything white )
. I'm open to any advise or suggestions on PSU and Ram. The PSU looked a good price but if it's no good id rather know and swop it out. And Ram there's too many to choose. So I lazily picked white Corsair ones. There all about the £150 mark so if there's a better alternative please let me know.
Last question. ( Probably not ). Is it ok to install everything on one Nvme. Or should we get a smaller 1tb one for windows and keep the 2tb for just his games.. I'm about £200 over budget already. So can't go any more. But if I can save some on PSU / Ram to squeeze in more storage that would be good. If not we can add more later.
Thanks again.

Oh. Lastly. I've tried with the AMD cards. He's dead set on sticking with Nvidia. Don't know why. It's his just out of warranty defected founders 3080 that's made this happen.

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Glad I could partially help :) (sorry about the banter) :)
 
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Russ holmes said:
The PSU looked a good price but if it's no good id rather know and swop it out.
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it's decent if you are getting it from where I think you are (£100?)
if you want a white PSU can consider this instead: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phan...power-supply-modular-white-pow-phk-02520.html
i agree with the rest of @sastusbulbas suggestions
£300 differential between a white 9070xt and 5070ti is insane!

whatever you decide (as i always say, your money your choice and your problem), just post a finalised list so we can look through
 
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Well you answered some of my questions.
I was going to suggest Arctic cooler and matching case fans, and the Gigabyte Aorus Elite B850 was a pretty nice build experience here recently with a 9000 series CPU. My lad did his build at the weekend in a white NZXT H6 Flow

Corsair Ram, 32gb 6000Mts, C30/36/36/76 at £150 in white was his choice, though he went non RGB.
Be aware in that case you can see the PSU through the shroud, so I would advice a white model.

He started with a 2tb NVMe for all his stuff, he will simply add another in the future for his music projects, then another for his games. 2tb seems to be a better value for GB per £1.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £307.97 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

Personally I think the 9070xt is better value than the 5070ti, and at least with AMD your not paying too much for a white vs black card, but kids usually have different ideas. Your at £900 for a white Gigabyte 5070Ti eagle oc. And there is not £300 worth of difference between them. And after Christmas we will have 5070 Supers with 18gb and 5070ti with 24gb costing even more money.
£900 for a white 5070ti seem's crazy when you can litterally pick up a 5080 for £60 more. Yet no one will spend £200 more on a 5080 over a 5070ti due to how close the performance is, which is crazy considering there is even less of a difference between the 9070xt and 5070ti in so many games. I get the point if there is something that the Nvidia does for that £300, or if like my son, it's money he worked and saved for.
For me a black or grey GPU simply looks off in a white build, so it would have to be white.

Also the Gigabyte 5070Ti eagle oc. It's showing as SFF and pre order, SFF is more compact. Not sure if that is relevant as it still looks pretty big?

Lad was sitting paying Dark Souls at 4k, and the GPU fans were idle, not sure if it's due to the two BeQuiet 140mm fans in the base of the case lol.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £607.98 (includes delivery: £7.99)​
​
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £907.98 (includes delivery: £7.99)​
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Hi, thanks for the great reply. Through his work the white gigabyte card is £834 and he gets 15% off that so it works out about £710ish. Still more than the 9070xt . But maybe a bit easier to swallow , and he's dug his heals in that he doesn't want to swop from Nvidia. I think he sees it as to big a gamble and stick with what you know...
I didn't notice the SFF. But looking at the specs. It's seems about a normal size. It's bigger than his current 3080.
 
Seasonic Focus GX-850 ATX 3.1 850W 80 Gold Modular Power Supply - White
POW-SSC-03192
£150 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - White
MEM-CRS-05813
£150 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Sapphire Pure Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming OC 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-SPR-03982
£650 (incl. VAT)
£600 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Eagle OC Ice SFF 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card
GRA-GIG-04140
£900 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
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Regarding 360mm aio, recent test below....funnily enough, the corsair nautilus came out the winner and the arctic freezer3 last....they were so shocked with the freezer 3 then got another from arctic and bought one themselves and all 3 showed same result....seen another vid having same thing..latest gen freezer 360 is noisy and cooling is av at best


 
Craig_d1 said:
Regarding 360mm aio, recent test below....funnily enough, the corsair nautilus came out the winner and the arctic freezer3 last....they were so shocked with the freezer 3 then got another from arctic and bought one themselves and all 3 showed same result....seen another vid having same thing..latest gen freezer 360 is noisy and cooling is av at best


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That's strange, every test for the Arctic that I watched (at the time I looked into it), the Arctic was the quietest, versus things like the Kraken etc - however, it might not be the Nautilus that was compared in the videos that I've seen - so I apologise if I've confused it for the wrong one :)
But I'm 90% sure both the Kraken and previous Corsair AIO's all had annoying fans, be it loud or a 'type' of noise they made, IIRC the pitch or type of hum? Something along those lines, but I admit it was awhile ago I looked into it, so forgive me for being vague. Maybe the pump was also loud, but don't quote me on that?

I'm genuinely shocked if the Arctic was beaten on actual cooling capability though, seeing as it has the thicker, clearly better rad that anything else on the market, it would make complete sense that it'd always win when paired with what is obviously a great, near silent pump and decent fans? As it always seems to destroy even products nearly twice the price, or 'did before'?

But fair enough if it's now had it's crown taken, and as aforementioned, if the fans aren't annoying/louder, then that's a decent alternative - I know the Kraken definitely had this issue, be it noise or pitch/hum, but I do also genuinely remember people always moaning that previous Corsair fans, be it on their own or bundled with AIO's were loud and went very OTT noise wise at peak; something you obviously wouldn't want when going to an AIO over air.
 
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tamzzy said:
realistically though, i'd dump the whole lot and get this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ther...all-in-one-cpu-cooler-360m-coo-tlr-04552.html
for £60 (£65 available now from elsewhere)

the 9800x3d does not need tons of cooling power and money is better spent elsewhere (or in one's pocket)
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I was tempted but that is quite loud in testing, from what I saw? And the failure rate is a bit worrying with Thermalright's AIO's, seems to be quite a worrying split of good and bad - I rate their air coolers, but seeing a mixed bag of opinions on their AIO's failing and the fans being loud, did put me off - I know I could change the fans, but at that point I could have bought the Arctic.
 
deviation said:
I was tempted but that is quite loud in testing, from what I saw? And the failure rate is a bit worrying with Thermalright's AIO's, seems to be quite a worrying split of good and bad - I rate their air coolers, but seeing a mixed bag of opinions on their AIO's failing and the fans being loud, did put me off - I know I could change the fans, but at that point I could have bought the Arctic.
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i've personally used the thermalright AIOs for the last year or so, until a computer reorganisation meant the 360mm rad no longer fits
personally had no issues with pump, fans nor fan noise
 
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