Been over paid, but they want me to pay back the pre deductions amount, where do I stand ?

[dlockers]

What I’m confused about here is what you’re referring to? Why not just quite the bit of the post you’re talking about? Do you think he’ll have to pay back greater than they’ve paid him or something? Like you think that he’d have to pay back £1200 despite the deductions taken? In which case I’d suggest you‘re confused. See the above post from @HangTime too.

They can deduct it from his future pay or they could get him to pay back the excess net amount (i.e. the excess amount they paid him).

You are clearly confused so there is no need to open your paragraph with that sentence. He would pay back the £1200 because that is what he is overpaid. Do you think the government just banks the 'extra' deductions?

As the post you pointed to put quite eloquently:

It would be far, far simpler for all concerned for them to just 'underpay' you in future, this means all deductions are automatically calculated and everything nets off to zero for all parties.

This means the gross is deducted by the amount of the overpayment and then tax, NI and student loan will rebalance themselves.

As an aside, please stop trying to draw me into a bickering match otherwise I'll have to report your post.

 

[Kenai]

It's probably unnecessarily confusing to the OP to keep arguing about net, given that he's posted they're seeking the entire £1200 pre-tax figure they overpaid, they're seemingly not looking to arrive at a solution that involves net figures at any point anyway.

All you're going to do is continue to confuse the issue and worry the OP that he'll be expected to pay back more than he got overpaid, which won't be the case.

 

[dowie]

All you're going to do is continue to confuse the issue and worry the OP that he'll be expected to pay back more than he got overpaid, which won't be the case.

^^^ this

He would pay back the £1200 because that is what he is overpaid.

No, he wouldn't. They're not going to make him pay back more than he was overpaid. If for some reason he has to pay back via cheque or transfer it will be the excess amount after deductions. This literally happened to me.

I'd suggest however that simply making future deductions from his salary would be the better solution here.

 

[dlockers]

^^^ this



No, he wouldn't. They're not going to make him pay back more than he was overpaid. If for some reason he has to pay back via cheque or transfer it will be the excess amount after deductions. This literally happened to me.

I'd suggest however that simply making future deductions from his salary would be the better solution here.

You can this "^^^ this" all you like but you're literally the one who mentioned net payment.

If you are paying back the overpayment net like you reckon you were, then how did your company account for it? They would have paid tax for absolutely no reason

Edit: I can see you are squirming now and conflating this with a situation you had where you had no future pay slip. That is a totally different situation.

Edit2: You bizarrely seem to think that your salary is the net value.

Edit3: God you have really edited that post beyond all comprehension. GG.

 

[dowie]

You can this "^^^ this" all you like but you're literally the one who mentioned net payment.

Yes, in the context of him making a payment rather than a deduction from future payslips... again why would they make him pay back more than he was overpaid?

Edit: I can see you are squirming now and conflating this with a situation you had where you had no future pay slip. That is a totally different situation.

I'm not conflating anything here, there are two possibilities I see for resolving this, deductions from his future pay or he makes a payment, re-read my first post in this thread:

They can't ask you to pay back an amount they never paid you in the first place, it seems silly that they're asking you to pay back anything tbh.. (is the company struggling that much that a few grand is going to make a material difference) instead they should just deduct it from your next month's pay.

You seem to be throwing in a load of projection/assumptions here and a bunch of silly emojis. As I said already making him pay it back it silly, it should be deducted from future salary. But if for some reason they do make him pay it back (they did in my case as I was a temp) then they're not going to make him pay more than they actually paid him!

If, in the case where he has to pay it back, you think he needs to write a check for the gross amount of £1200 then do please explain why?

 

[dlockers]

Yes, in the context of him making a payment rather than a deduction from future payslips... again why would they make him pay back more than he was overpaid?



I'm not conflating anything here, there are two possibilities I see for resolving this, deductions from his future pay or he makes a payment, re-read my first post in this thread:



You seem to be throwing in a load of projection/assumptions here and a bunch of silly emojis. As I said already making him pay it back it silly, it should be deducted from future salary. But if for some reason they do make him pay it back (they did in my case as I was a temp) then they're not going to make him pay more than they actually paid him!

If, in the case where he has to pay it back, you think he needs to write a check for the gross amount of £1200 then do please explain why?

Please stop trolling me. I have not said what you are projecting. I'm from a generation that doesn't even know what a check is. Please re-read my posts. Unlike yours they were a lot more sensible and didn't need a billion edits. I see you have still left this nonsense though:

it seems silly that they're asking you to pay back anything tbh.. (is the company struggling that much that a few grand is going to make a material difference)

 

[dowie]

I see you have still left this nonsense though:

Ah, I think I know why you're confused here - you've actually interpreted that as me saying they should just let him keep the overpayment?

you've cut off: instead they should just deduct it from your next month's pay.

I'm referring to him making a payment back to the company as opposed to them taking future deductions from his salary (see the whole post).

There is where the muddle with gross and net is coming in, I think perhaps the penny has dropped now as you've avoided it with your comment about cheques - you know full well that if he was to pay them back (via cheque or bank transfer) we're talking about the net amount he actually received/was overpaid.

This was the OPs main concern - that he'd have to pay back more than he was overpaid, ergo why it was commented on! Beyond that I'm not sure what your problem is.

 

[dlockers]

Ah, I think I know why you're confused here - you've actually interpreted that as me saying they should just let him keep the overpayment?

you've cut off: instead they should just deduct it from your next month's pay.

I'm referring to him making a payment back to the company as opposed to them taking future deductions from his salary (see the whole post).

There is where the muddle with gross and net is coming in, I think perhaps the penny has dropped now as you've avoided it with your comment about cheques - you know full well that if he is to pay them back (via cheque or bank transfer) we're talking about the net amount he actually received/was overpaid.

Whatever makes you sleep easy

Edit: I see there is another famous Dowie edit to add further colour to your post. I think if you read back you picked problem with me. All I did was point out you were the only one to mention paying it back net. For some reason you took umbrage and then decided to enter, yet again, another dowie hole. Please can I politely ask that you stop trying to troll me?

 

[dowie]

*sigh*

I think you're confused, you said they'd take it net.

^^^ This is where the confusion has come from - the only reference to net is in relation to him paying it back not them taking it back in the form of salary deductions.

The OP's concern is clearly that he doesn't want to pay back more than he's actually been (over)paid! If he were to pay back the gross amount of £1200 (i.e. via cheque or bank transfer) that would be a bit ridiculous.

Again though the better solution is to have them make deductions from his future pay, as I said right at the start.

The only trolling I've seen so far has come from you where you've acted as though I've said something else and then thrown in emojis etc..

 

[dlockers]

*sigh*

^^^ This is where the confusion has come from - the only reference to net is in relation to him paying it back not them taking it back in the form of salary deductions.

The OP's concern is clearly that he doesn't want to pay back more than he's actually been (over)paid! If he were to pay back the gross amount of £1200 (i.e. via cheque or bank transfer) that would be a bit ridiculous.

Again though the better solution is to have them make deductions from his future pay, as I said right at the start.

The only trolling I've seen so far has come from you where you've acted as though I've said something else and then thrown in emojis etc..

Only you have said pay back gross via cheque or bank transfer from what I can see

Please can you stop trolling I have asked multiple times.

 

[dowie]

I think you're confusing net and gross here. If he has to pay it back rather than it being deducted from his future salary then why would he pay back more than he's been (over) paid?

Or to keep it simple, do you agree that him paying them (for example via cheque or bank transfer) £1200 would be silly?

I think that what has happened here is you've misconstrued my earlier posts where I refer to two possibilities here- them making salary deductions or him making a payment to them.

 

[Maccy]

Suggest you both pack it in - this isn't GD.

 

[dlockers]

Agreed. OP, hope you get it sorted. Apologies for all the noise caused by the above. I'm sure it'll be fixed with a simple adjustment of future pay as opposed to whatever the other creative possibilities other posters have come up with. And most of all, you certainly won't be out of pocket as tax/NI/student loan will recalculate.

 

[dowie]

Also agree. I think some of my posts were misread that's all, hope you get it sorted too OP, the payroll people rather than HR ought to fix this for you