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#BeForTheGame

Marine-RX179 said:
Indeed! The cost is so high that Nvidia full-year revenue gone up by 41% comparing the year before...no wait...

Seriously if people willing to pay the price for it that's one thing and so be it and bravo for Nvidia for putting it off as business; but trying to sugar coat the inflated prices of these mid-range chipset card blaming it on "increase costs" is just ridiculous, considering Nvidia is making a higher margin than ever on each of these mid-range chipset cards than the flagship cards they traditionally made and sold in the pass.
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You need to get used to it(sadly) and you can't say its only Nvidia either - look at things like motherboards or even phones for example. The PC enthusiast genre started with modding so people could avoid having to buy top end stuff,ie,think of CPUs like the Celeron 300A,but companies have now sold an utter inversion of that,ie,buy moar expensive stuff instead,and younger and younger people will forget how things were,and part of it is down to things like easier credit,etc.

Even with Ryzen prodding Intel,for many of us,that is how things used to be many years ago.

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Ultimately I said this many times,AMD needs to prioritise what it does - CPUs are more important to their future,and the fact is even with graphics they should just stick to developing cost effective GPUs which work reasonably well with current standards,and stop trying to compete at the "high end" gaming graphics in the first place. This is what they did during the HD3000/HD4000/HD5000 series.

Even Nvidia is pushing so much money into GPUs as unlike AMD they rely on GPUs much more for their revenue especially PC gaming,and everything in the last decade,shows them trying to diversify away from PC gaming,and find new uses for their GPUs.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You need to get used to it(sadly) and you can't say its only Nvidia either - look at things like motherboards for example. The PC enthusiast genre started with modding so people could avoid having to buy top end stuff,ie,think of CPUs like the Celeron 300A,but companies have now sold an utter inversion of that,ie,buy moar expensive stuff instead,and younger and younger people will forget how things were,and part of it is down to things like easier credit,etc.

Even with Ryzen prodding Intel,for many of us,that is how things used to be many years ago.
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I know. I know all too well it's all about capitalism, but it make me laughs when people try to justify the higher pricing on behalf of companies using reasons of "higher costs" when clearly it's not. It's that they can dictate at that price and can get away with it that's all it is pure and simple (much like Intel).
 
Marine-RX179 said:
I know. I know all too well it's all about capitalism, but it make me laughs when people try to justify the higher pricing on behalf of companies using reasons of "higher costs" when clearly it's not. It's that they can dictate at that price and can get away with it that's all it is pure and simple (much like Intel).
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I don't understand it too - had people even people partially defending RAM pricing. People have this weird view now that we the consumer serves the companies,not the companies serve us,which I find utterly weird. Whereas I have no issue with companies making money,I find it utterly weird that the DIY PC building genre has gone from not defending high end stuff(decades ago) to know defending mahoosive price increases,which no one in the realworld would defend for lots of stuff outside gadgets,especially for us in the UK where many of these companies don't make anything(so we end up enriching China,etc instead).

Look at what happened when certain companies increased prices by a few percent(examples include Marmite) and the whole media was up in arms - plenty of more important things we should be paying more for,ie,things like milk as dairy farmers are increasing going out of business,or more in general for certain things so we can make more things over here and employ more people. But people won't have it,but the moment Apple/Samsung/random tech company jacks up prices people are willing to even go into debt for them. Talk about national priorities.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I don't understand it too - had people even people partially defending RAM pricing. People have this weird view now that we the consumer serves the companies,not the companies serve us,which I find utterly weird. Whereas I have no issue with companies making money,I find it utterly weird that the DIY PC building genre has gone from not defending high end stuff(decades ago) to know defending mahoosive price increases,which no one in the realworld would defend,especially for us in the UK where many of these companies don't make anything(so we end up enriching China,etc instead).
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Right on! I really want to build a new system, but the crazy inflated DDR4 memory pricing (price fixing) is putting me off. It is not I cannot afford it, it is a matter of principle that I just do not wish to be bend over and let the corporations have their way with me (too badly).
 
Marine-RX179 said:
Right on! I really want to build a new system, but the crazy inflated DDR4 memory pricing (price fixing) is putting me off. It is not I cannot afford it, it is a matter of principle that I just do not wish to be bend over and let the corporations have their way with me (too badly).
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Yep RAM is still crazy. Cost me £210 just for 16 GiB of 2666 MHz ECC RAM a few weeks ago, which was a third of the cost of the entire build. I thought of buying one stick now just to get started and get a second later on but 2666 MHz ECC RAM is kinda hard to find so didn't wanna risk it. I probably would've got 32 GiB if RAM prices were "normal" (e.g. the £50 I paid for 16 GiB a few years ago).
 
DragonQ said:
Yep RAM is still crazy. Cost me £210 just for 16 GiB of 2666 MHz ECC RAM a few weeks ago, which was a third of the cost of the entire build. I thought of buying one stick now just to get started and get a second later on but 2666 MHz ECC RAM is kinda hard to find so didn't wanna risk it. I probably would've got 32 GiB if RAM prices were "normal" (e.g. the £50 I paid for 16 GiB a few years ago).
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Exact reason why I haven't upgraded too. I've spec'd up several machines out of curiosity over the last few months and got to the checkout thinking "OK, not too bad so far" then go to add the memory and it just becomes ridiculous, always end up closing tabs thinking sod that and continue on with my trusty 2500k.

I will need to upgrade soon though :(
 
Kaapstad said:
Lets see them do it side by side with the same memory amount on both cards lol.
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Demos are available at NVIDIA booth in SIGGRAPH. people can use it and see for themselves.
Kaapstad said:
Also checking out the specs and performance for the top Turing card is interesting, it is just a cut down GV100 chip (10% less on all cores) overclocked a bit and using GDDR6 memory.
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These are rumored specs not actual specs. Also Turing is different from Volta, it has a new Ray Tracing core as well as Tensor Cores. Volta only has Tensor.
 
Currently have an evga 1080 hybrid that plays everything at high/ultra at a res of 3440x1440. Don't think there's anything coming out that will warrant an upgrade I even think cyberpunk ain't going to be that demanding, but who knows.
Looking forward to all the reviews and what everyone thinks of them.
 
bakes0310 said:
Currently have an evga 1080 hybrid that plays everything at high/ultra at a res of 3440x1440. Don't think there's anything coming out that will warrant an upgrade I even think cyberpunk ain't going to be that demanding, but who knows.
Looking forward to all the reviews and what everyone thinks of them.
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Same here, upgrading every few years lets you see bigger improvements. A lot of the upgrades lately you need benchmarks to see any real difference.
 
I'm in a bit of a wait and see with components now.
I had a 1080p monitor that I upgraded to 1440p that was amazing. Then I upgraded to a 3440x1440p monitor that was also great and I will not move from superwide. So as technology is a bit slow with monitors the only upgrade path for me is gysnc and high MHz superwide monitors. That's fine more money in the bank.
But now I'm not going to see a big difference in purchases of hardware unless I play the waiting game.
Not a bad thing cause it just leaves me to actually enjoy playing games.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You need to get used to it(sadly) and you can't say its only Nvidia either - look at things like motherboards or even phones for example. The PC enthusiast genre started with modding so people could avoid having to buy top end stuff,ie,think of CPUs like the Celeron 300A,but companies have now sold an utter inversion of that,ie,buy moar expensive stuff instead,and younger and younger people will forget how things were,and part of it is down to things like easier credit,etc.

Even with Ryzen prodding Intel,for many of us,that is how things used to be many years ago.

Edit!!

Ultimately I said this many times,AMD needs to prioritise what it does - CPUs are more important to their future,and the fact is even with graphics they should just stick to developing cost effective GPUs which work reasonably well with current standards,and stop trying to compete at the "high end" gaming graphics in the first place. This is what they did during the HD3000/HD4000/HD5000 series.

Even Nvidia is pushing so much money into GPUs as unlike AMD they rely on GPUs much more for their revenue especially PC gaming,and everything in the last decade,shows them trying to diversify away from PC gaming,and find new uses for their GPUs.
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I agree, AMD don't sell enough very high end GPU to justify R&D and production costs.

I would rather they compete where they make money instead of loosing money trying to keep up with nVidia and then no one buys those products anyway.

RX 580 and that sort of thing is where AMD shine.
 
bakes0310 said:
Currently have an evga 1080 hybrid that plays everything at high/ultra at a res of 3440x1440. Don't think there's anything coming out that will warrant an upgrade I even think cyberpunk ain't going to be that demanding, but who knows.
Looking forward to all the reviews and what everyone thinks of them.
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Ditto. My 1080 can handle any game I play. I will not be upgrading this gen.
 
According to Google translate, that Gainward poster translates to...

"From the eye of the glare, the mysterious life is still the day."

Makes sense.
 
Silent_Scone said:
It's always about the performance, I find having the money makes you more aware of when you're just spending for the sake of spending. I've had 16 TITANS since the brand's introduction, I'm sick of paying through the nose when you don't have to. Even saying things like "if it comes in under 2,500".

Christ, just stop lol
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That's a good one, telling people to just stop, in the same post as admitting you've had 16 Titans. There has only been 7 Titan's made including the Dual GPU Titan Z and the Volta Titan V. So either you've been very unlucky, or you were unable to take your own advice.:rolleyes:
 
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