Belarus diverts Ryanair flight to arrest journalist

I believe though that we should also not participate or support such actions ourselves (west).

There was a similar case in 2016 where Ukrainians forced a Belarus aircraft to return to arrest a Ukraine opposition member.

The Ukraine is not usually considered part of the West, and is neither part of the EU or NATO. In any case, there's a pretty clear difference between ordering a plane to return to its point of origin, and diverting a plane travelling between two unrelated destinations under false pretences.

Also a more home hitting one, 2013 incident where a Presidents plane was forced to land in the EU due to rumor's that Snowden was on it.

I strongly opposed NATO's behaviour over Snowdon, but this is also not a similar case. Unlike commercial airlines, whose flights are covered by international treaty, state aircraft such as the presidential flight involved, are required to request permission to enter the airspace of countries they fly over. NATO aligned Portugal (where it had planned to refuel) and France refused this permission - as they are entitled to do under international law - and the flight diverted to non-NATO Austria to refuel. Shoddy behaviour, if you ask me, but it does not violate international law and it does not involve abusing processes that protect the safety of aircraft and their passengers and is thus quite unlike the behaviour of Belarus in this case.

We need to actually raise above doing dubious things ourselves to make sure that does not happen and we do not end up with another conflict.

I think you're right, but the reality is that international politics is, always has been, and always will be, about power. Countries, or collectives, with power will behave in the ways that benefit them and prioritise this over moral and ethical consistency.
 
I'm supposed to be going to Minsk to visit my girlfriend's family soon, she isn't going to be happy if flights are banned because of this!
 
I saw on BBC news that Dominic Raab said that, “Belarus must be held to account”, over this act.
A muffled chorus of, “Yeah right, when will that be Dominic?”, was heard from all across Europe.
 
I saw on BBC news that Dominic Raab said that, “Belarus must be held to account”, over this act.
A muffled chorus of, “Yeah right, when will that be Dominic?”, was heard from all across Europe.

I’m reminded of the “Curb Your War” clip on YT where some ancient US senator asks a 4 star general why the US can’t control Syrian airspace and gets the reply “Because we’d have to go to war with Russia and that’s a decision above my pay grade.”.
 
I saw on BBC news that Dominic Raab said that, “Belarus must be held to account”, over this act.
A muffled chorus of, “Yeah right, when will that be Dominic?”, was heard from all across Europe.
Do you think they'll get him a slapped wrist (over Teams) or do you think that might be a bit much?

Maybe they'll raise their eyebrows, or even something approaching a frown..?

I'm sure nobody expects some actual consequences. That's not how this game works.
 
Do you think they'll get him a slapped wrist (over Teams) or do you think that might be a bit much?

Maybe they'll raise their eyebrows, or even something approaching a frown..?

I'm sure nobody expects some actual consequences. That's not how this game works.

Minor economic sanctions and the freezing of some London based bank accounts are about as far as it'll go.
 
I saw on BBC news that Dominic Raab said that, “Belarus must be held to account”, over this act.
A muffled chorus of, “Yeah right, when will that be Dominic?”, was heard from all across Europe.

Lots of bluster, tut tutting and nothing much else. Just like the EU and the US frankly its not like they'll be any different.
 
Minor economic sanctions and the freezing of some London based bank accounts are about as far as it'll go.

AFAIK most of the Belarusian 'regime' have had their assets frozen in western countries. Which isn't much of a threat if you're never planning to travel outside of your home country.

Economic sanctions are a tough one as well because restrictions on trade etc, will just affect the health/livelihoods of Belarusian citizens, and it's not like they can vote to remove their president from power without fear of being shot. Standard dictatorship really.
 
AFAIK most of the Belarusian 'regime' have had their assets frozen in western countries. Which isn't much of a threat if you're never planning to travel outside of your home country.

Economic sanctions are a tough one as well because restrictions on trade etc, will just affect the health/livelihoods of Belarusian citizens, and it's not like they can vote to remove their president from power without fear of being shot. Standard dictatorship really.
Then they really shouldn't be so quick to say, "There will be consequences!" because it just makes them look like idiots when there aren't, in fact, any meaningful consequences.
 
Then they really shouldn't be so quick to say, "There will be consequences!" because it just makes them look like idiots when there aren't, in fact, any meaningful consequences.

Speculating here... But if you pulled out details on the last 100 or so major events that "shocked the west", i would almost bet that only a single digit number were countered with swift consequences. Take 9/11 as an example where a serious terrorist attack did result in the US declaring war, and invading a country in order to execute a terrorist leader.

It's safe to say (and for good reason) that we don't want to be getting involved in everyone's business, but you can't let a big thing like this go by without saying that we're outraged by the actions.
 
It's safe to say (and for good reason) that we don't want to be getting involved in everyone's business, but you can't let a big thing like this go by without saying that we're outraged by the actions.
Yeah we can say how outraged we are and how much of a naughty boy the other chap is, but promising repercussions and then not delivering is basically making everyone look impotent and stupid. I'm not saying we should intervene, btw.

Just don't promise what you can't deliver, eh. Just stick to saying he's not a very nice man and we're going to play with the other boys and girls.
 
Speculating here... But if you pulled out details on the last 100 or so major events that "shocked the west",

It's safe to say (and for good reason) that we don't want to be getting involved in everyone's business, but you can't let a big thing like this go by without saying that we're outraged by the actions.

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Gulf wants to have a chat.

Heck and those are pretty hard power cases. How many soft-power moves have we done? The US embassy runs Ukraine by the looks of it. Russia is sanctioned to their boots so much so that we thanos clapped their GDP by almost 50%.

The only reason Putin even survived is because of his propaganda machine that we actively feed into. But we were clearly going in for a kill, not many dictators can survive a 50% GDP clap to their economy. He took that very personally it seems, judging by how he gives zero doodle lately.

The reason Belarus even had a chance of up-rising is because NATO members Lithuania and Poland stoked the fires as hard as they could.

I dont remember whats latest on Nord Stream 2, but arent we basically sanctioning anything and anyone trying to complete it in hope of wrecking it? Including sanctioning literally Germany.

So to say that US/Nato/West has little desire to intervene is errr. yeah.
 
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Not really. Stopping a plane leaving is quite different from diverting a plane from elsewhere. Messing with Germany's national carrier is substantial escalation from Belarus though.
I mean the 'terror threat ' part, but yeah not quite as bad as the forcing of a plane to land.

Anyway Belavia now suspended in the UK and I will have an unhappy girlfriend!

 
I saw on BBC news that Dominic Raab said that, “Belarus must be held to account”, over this act.
A muffled chorus of, “Yeah right, when will that be Dominic?”, was heard from all across Europe.

Wish journalists/reporters/presenters whatever were like this :D
 
I think a decent response would be to temporarily ban the Belorussian flag carrier (a countries national airline, ours is BA) from flying to EU/UK airports. Also we could have EU/UK traffic route around BR airspace (both actions would cost their economy money and put pressure on their government).


guess the russkies will reject all the rage from the west using the assange is still in prison argument.
in fairness it's a valid argument, just in no way an excuse for this kind of behaviour.
 
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