Poll: Belgian Grand Prix 2016, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 13/21
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Great job from Hamilton to mitigate his points loss, and stack up some engines for the rest of the season. The next few tracks are ones where Hamilton tends to do well.
Rosberg must be wondering what can he do when even Hamilton starting from the back barely helps him. I'm tipping Rosberg for second in the drivers championship again.
Rosberg must be wondering what can he do when even Hamilton starting from the back barely helps him. I'm tipping Rosberg for second in the drivers championship again.
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Do what the rest of us do and ignore the obvious trolling
(hence no other replies).He lost a fan here. What he did could have killed Kimi and his attitude alongside this along with the FIA turning a blind eye has completely turned me off him. He has deserved several penalties tbh.
Soldato
great job from Hamilton exploiting a red flag and safety cars to reduce the effects of the penalty's
He's always been like this, glad people are finally realising it.
He's a talent for sure but incredibly arrogant and self-righteous, yes. Ignores all rules and etiquette about how to behave on track. He's plain dangerous at times and needs to be penalise to teach him a lesson before he causes a massive accident.
All radio restrictions are gone. Keep up.
If that's not a dangerous release, someone please tell me what is!
Rosberg doesn't really have a fanbase. Most Germans don't actually consider him German for a start, given that his father's Finnish and he grew up and lives in Monaco.
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It's worth mentioning that I think Mclaren deserved a penalty for unsafe release and ALonso deserved another one for his actions. The team screwed up and let him out, sure, but at no stage was Alonso forced to keep his foot down, he was out of the fast/main pit lane, he was going into a funnel, he was slightly behind and had his team not released him unsafely he would have had to wait and be behind Hulk. ALonso should not have attempted to go into the exit alongside Hulk. He swiped Hulk's tired with his front wing which was dangerous, had his tire gone and he lost control he could easily have swung left into a car coming around the corner. Mclaren and Alonso were ridiculous there.
Again I'll point out on max, he didn't almost kill Kimi, Kimi almost caused an accident that could kill him.
Think back to decades of a driver trying to pass faking to one side , causing the defending driver to move over then actually moving to the other side and passing. Moving in reaction to the driver behind is NORMAL, has ALWAYS happened and has ALWAYS been absolutely fine.
The difference here is, too many people expect a DRS overtake with the guy ahead not fighting, we saw plenty of guys just stick to their line and let another car pass down that straight today and that is completely fine. People do that to lose as little time against cars they don't think they are really competing against, but taking that as normal and defending as dangerous is nonsense.
That was the problem, if the lead driver chooses not to defend that is up to him. If the lead driver chooses to defend, it's up to him. Kimi tried that over take without being remotely prepared for Max defending at all, that is 100% on Kimi. Kimi moved right, thought Verstappen wouldn't fight him and wasn't prepared to react or to react to a defensive move. Had they made contact (I'm talking about their main one on the straight) then it would have been 100% Kimi's fault. YOu don't know if the guy ahead will defend or not, you have to be prepared for any outcome before you commit to a move, Kimi wasn't prepared and instead of adjusting left he almost hit the back of Verstappen.
What is worse is Kimi did this twice in Hungary, just assumed he could go past unchallenged and both times almost hit Verstappen because he wasn't ready for the guy ahead to defend.
Defending is fine the difference between Verstappen on the straight here and Rosberg on that straight in Spain was Hamilton got alongside Rosberg and then Rosberg kept moving to block the track. Verstappen moved right just after Kimi did(which is fine) and blocked that line before Kimi was anywhere near alongside.
People have become so entirely used to people not defending at all down a straight that when they see it they freak out and call it dangerous. Kimi's attempts to overtake in the past 2-3 years have been embarrassing many many times. He slammed up the inside of Bottas with zero room, no chance of making it and damaged his car, in Hungary it was him who turned into Vettel as Vettel did to him today. He attempted an overtake with absolutely zero idea that Verstappen might defend his line and worst still, if there was a driver on the grid today who you absolutely knew would defend his place it was Verstappen making Kimi not being ready even more ridiculous.
Again I'll point out on max, he didn't almost kill Kimi, Kimi almost caused an accident that could kill him.
Think back to decades of a driver trying to pass faking to one side , causing the defending driver to move over then actually moving to the other side and passing. Moving in reaction to the driver behind is NORMAL, has ALWAYS happened and has ALWAYS been absolutely fine.
The difference here is, too many people expect a DRS overtake with the guy ahead not fighting, we saw plenty of guys just stick to their line and let another car pass down that straight today and that is completely fine. People do that to lose as little time against cars they don't think they are really competing against, but taking that as normal and defending as dangerous is nonsense.
That was the problem, if the lead driver chooses not to defend that is up to him. If the lead driver chooses to defend, it's up to him. Kimi tried that over take without being remotely prepared for Max defending at all, that is 100% on Kimi. Kimi moved right, thought Verstappen wouldn't fight him and wasn't prepared to react or to react to a defensive move. Had they made contact (I'm talking about their main one on the straight) then it would have been 100% Kimi's fault. YOu don't know if the guy ahead will defend or not, you have to be prepared for any outcome before you commit to a move, Kimi wasn't prepared and instead of adjusting left he almost hit the back of Verstappen.
What is worse is Kimi did this twice in Hungary, just assumed he could go past unchallenged and both times almost hit Verstappen because he wasn't ready for the guy ahead to defend.
Defending is fine the difference between Verstappen on the straight here and Rosberg on that straight in Spain was Hamilton got alongside Rosberg and then Rosberg kept moving to block the track. Verstappen moved right just after Kimi did(which is fine) and blocked that line before Kimi was anywhere near alongside.
People have become so entirely used to people not defending at all down a straight that when they see it they freak out and call it dangerous. Kimi's attempts to overtake in the past 2-3 years have been embarrassing many many times. He slammed up the inside of Bottas with zero room, no chance of making it and damaged his car, in Hungary it was him who turned into Vettel as Vettel did to him today. He attempted an overtake with absolutely zero idea that Verstappen might defend his line and worst still, if there was a driver on the grid today who you absolutely knew would defend his place it was Verstappen making Kimi not being ready even more ridiculous.
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Theres a difference between defending your line and straight up driving infront of someone who is doing 30kph more than you causing them to slam on the brakes. If Max wants to defend the inside, he should make his intentions clear sooner.
What Max did is straight out of a console racing game online.
What Max did is straight out of a console racing game online.
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Not to mention he drove like a muppet after the T1 incident. How many times did he slide off circuit at full throttle because his car was understeering?
I was hoping they'd give him the black and orange flag and force him to slow down
Me thinks he wanted to perform so badly, it ruined him.
I was hoping they'd give him the black and orange flag and force him to slow down
Me thinks he wanted to perform so badly, it ruined him.
No idea, I like Max but this race has left a bit of a bad taste, i'm all for a bit or argy bargy but some of that was just plain dangerous
+1 I've gone off him after this race, he clearly knows how to drive fast but throwing all his toys out of his pram in such manner is just plain stupid.
Not to mention he drove like a muppet after the T1 incident. How many times did he slide off circuit at full throttle because his car was understeering?
I was hoping they'd give him the black and orange flag and force him to slow down
Me thinks he wanted to perform so badly, it ruined him.
He's a child. Everyone keeps going on about what an amazing talent he is at such a young age but they're ignoring the fact that he's acting like a typical teenager.
Thinks he's always right. Thinks he indestructible. Drives like he's playing a video game.
Soldato
No different to a mature MS, but no so much a smug **** yet. He was borderline at best today, nothing worse. Good to see people racing on the fringes. I'd sooner Verstappen than Rosberg when it comes to caculated risks.
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Worked well for old hami!
The yellows and safety and then the red could not have bene more fortuitous !
Well driven, but basically straight lines from both mercs.
Look forward to seeing how much of a mess the hami supporters make over this, no contributions to UK, messing themselves silly.
Probably tactically voting BNP also
LOL
Soldato
Enjoyable race that was.
Good job from Ricciardo and Hulkenberg, a good result for Hamilton too in the end.
Well chuffed for Force India up to fourth in the constructors, incredible job!
Good job from Ricciardo and Hulkenberg, a good result for Hamilton too in the end.
Well chuffed for Force India up to fourth in the constructors, incredible job!
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It isn't his account, it's his fan club.
'Kimi Raikkonen Fan club of the F1 world champion in 2007 with Ferrari. See Our KimiRaikkonenKr7 Collection below:'
It's right at the front of that instagram page.
Anyway apart from the usual suspect I think most agree that there was some reckless driving today. He's got talent but his attitude stinks and it's only a matter of time before it ends in a big incident.
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Aah, my apologies.
I don't know how he didn't get a penalty today either.
I don't know how he didn't get a penalty today either.
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Funny, some saying Hamilton was lucky, but he was only in this position due to his bad luck at the start of the season. If it wasn't for that he would probably have a few races in hand by now. He needs to build a lead now and I am sure he will.
Actually more interested to see how it kicks off with max further back.
Actually more interested to see how it kicks off with max further back.
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To be fair I think max was borderline today firm but on another could have got a penalty. I want to see harsh defending that's how it should be between racing drivers not just let through.
McLaren should have got a unsafe release. Think the stewards finished early today.
McLaren should have got a unsafe release. Think the stewards finished early today.