Belgium Grand Prix 2010, Spa-Francorchamps Circuit - Race 13/19

leaskovski said:
You do remember that they laid off a lot of staff there just as it turned to Brawn GP? Before that they had one of the largest elvels of staff, and to my knowledge (given to me by someone who worked for the team) had too many people working there. They are now at a level that is correct and doesn't contain bloat.
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half as many as some teams though unless they recruited a lot of people, afaik they are still the only team under what could be the imposed staff limit.

i dont see the staff limit ever beeing enforced though at the time it seems like a smart move now with the 40m budget gone and the staff limit looking like it wont ever happen it just seems to have been an epic fail.

as i said before f-duct no worky , blown diffuser no worky, dont think they have had any upgrades so far this year that did a damn thing!
 
utajoker said:
One thing I have always wondered, why isn't the toro roso as fast as the redbull since they are both redbull sponsored.
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They are now a separate team this year, so will only go backwards in my opinion. I don't know why they didn't do that well over the last few years, having basically the same chassis and the better Ferrari engine at their disposal.
 
Outcast said:
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Don't mess with Seb or your race will be prematurely terminated.

Other drivers must surely fear Seb - not only for his speed, but also for his unforgiving wheel to wheel driving.

Guys isn't it funny - in all sports, you have coaches who teach/improve sportsmen to perform better at their sport. Yet, in F1, there is no such thing. Surely it is only a matter of time when F1 teams will hire drivers of yesteryear in roles relating to coaching their drivers?

If this were football (or any other team sport), the coach would work with Vettel, on how his driving may be improved. Currently though, it would seem that RBR will allow Vettel to sort out his own driving errors.
 
He----lloooo Missy

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sunama said:
For all those stating that Mercedes are small team on a low budget...according to the following article:

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=40573

Mercedes' budget is only topped by Ferrari. They are the 2nd richest team in F1.
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The figures in the media are always dubious. A quick google will point to another pitpass article that would put McLaren's resources at ~$500m for 2009. Mercedes trimmed down their operation to 400 last year so it's highly unlikely that they are among the big spenders this year.

F1 is an investment which rarely gives immediate results. Any manufacturer/investor should wait at least 3 years before they make their decision of pulling out or continuing...unless of course they have completely run out of money
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Next year is make or break for them imo. They shouldn't need any more time. Most of the team have been together as Honda/Brawn/Merc for years now. Many people, myself included, believe that last year was a complete once off due to a loophole exploit and that this team is going nowhere only backwards. The current car seems to have the worst F-duct and EBD of the front 6-7 teams, weight and CoG problems as well as above average drag. They haven't been able to solve one of those problems in the last 6 months which would suggest a complete lack of knowledge at the team.
 
Owenb said:
Schumacher's stats are insane. At Hamilton's current win rate he will have to do 450 races or race for about 25 years in F1 to equal Schumacher! Hamilton has the talent but it takes more than talent to do what Schumacher did..
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yur dead right.....it takes the FIA to be INCREDIBLY leniant time and time again over years and years in favour of one driver / team (well two teams to be fair )

That will NEVER happen again
 
sunama said:
Guys isn't it funny - in all sports, you have coaches who teach/improve sportsmen to perform better at their sport. Yet, in F1, there is no such thing. Surely it is only a matter of time when F1 teams will hire drivers of yesteryear in roles relating to coaching their drivers?
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I don't think this used to be as much of an issue. New drivers were usually older so had more experience, plus they started in teams at the back or middle of the field so were under less pressure and less likely to interfere with the leader's races.

Now you have very young drivers like Lewis and Seb being put into the fastest cars at the front of the grid and they make mistakes due to inexperience. Though I would argue that Vettel has made far too many mistakes to be driving in a top-flight team. He needs a couple of seasons in a mid-field car to improve his race-craft IMO.
 
Owenb said:
Next year is make or break for them imo. They shouldn't need any more time. Most of the team have been together as Honda/Brawn/Merc for years now. Many people, myself included, believe that last year was a complete once off due to a loophole exploit and that this team is going nowhere only backwards. The current car seems to have the worst F-duct and EBD of the front 6-7 teams, weight and CoG problems as well as above average drag. They haven't been able to solve one of those problems in the last 6 months which would suggest a complete lack of knowledge at the team.
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Not sure that conclusion's safe. I think the previous year's activity has a large impact on the current year's car. In Mercedes' case, Brawn was probably in the worst position of all the major teams in 2009 - that impacted on the 2010 car. Ferrari and McLaren on the other hand, were well resourced and knowing they were out of contention early on in 2009 were able to focus on the 2010 car.

For 2011, the situation could be reversed. Merc are able to concentrate on 2011 earlier than the others who are still fighting hard for 2010.
 
I think its pretty obvious that Brawn were lucky to have enough running cash to keep going and make some improvements to the car, never mind putting much into developing their next car. The next couple of years will bring them right back in again.
 
sunama said:
Guys isn't it funny - in all sports, you have coaches who teach/improve sportsmen to perform better at their sport. Yet, in F1, there is no such thing. Surely it is only a matter of time when F1 teams will hire drivers of yesteryear in roles relating to coaching their drivers?
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James Allen wrote a very good blog piece on this very subject not so long ago. He made a good point that the cars evolve so quickly that old drivers' advice is out-of-date fairly soon (just look at Schumacher), but that there's no real reason that they shouldn't have some sort of coaching.
 
Duke said:
I think its pretty obvious that Brawn were lucky to have enough running cash to keep going and make some improvements to the car, never mind putting much into developing their next car. The next couple of years will bring them right back in again.
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True.

And don't forget this year's car was designed for Button as he likes understeer and Shui likes Oversteer.

Never write off Brawn.
 
Baboonanza said:
I don't think this used to be as much of an issue. New drivers were usually older so had more experience, plus they started in teams at the back or middle of the field so were under less pressure and less likely to interfere with the leader's races.

Now you have very young drivers like Lewis and Seb being put into the fastest cars at the front of the grid and they make mistakes due to inexperience. Though I would argue that Vettel has made far too many mistakes to be driving in a top-flight team. He needs a couple of seasons in a mid-field car to improve his race-craft IMO.
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Seb had a year and a half in the STR before moving up to RBR plus a season as BMW test driver back in 2005 (when it actually meant something) so he has had a longer introduction to F1 than Lewis. What is worrying is that Seb is making mistakes in his 56th race that Lewis had got out of his system by his 16th.

May be he was pulled into F1 too early and should have done a season of GP2, especially with its reversed grids he may be would have learnt some race craft.
 
Vettel's mistakes could also be down to the pressure created by RBR when they keep bleating on to him that he is the team-leader. The further he falls behind his No.2 (Webber), the harder he feels he has to push. And the harder he pushes, the more riskier his driving gets. And the riskier his driving gets, the more incidents he is likely to be involved in.

I cant help but think that if he had a coach/mentor, he would be calmer inside the cockpit and make less mistakes.
 
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