Bent CPU Pins?

To me it looks like he knows he has been caught and figured that there is no other option but to send me my board back, but as it is supposed to be damaged, he'll take a screw driver to it out of rage and mangle it beyond belief!

Thing is, as well as having all the evidence we had beforehand showing he is a dishonest scammer, the pic he sent me does not match with my original, or with this one. Plus, my photo shows that it was in perfect condition before, so it would make no sense for me to mangle it before selling, as it would clearly cause problems like this.

I am stunned beyond belief at how this guy thinks he can get away with it. I really need to finish my work and start some revision, but I'm thinking I might just go to the Police station today. Just need to find it, the one I know of is being re-built, and Google maps is being annoying.
 
Well, went to the Police, but seemed like as soon as they heard it was about eBay they didn't want to know and referenced me to get a solicitor for a civil case or whatever. They didn't see the pics I printed off as they seemed to just want to get rid of me, but I kept explaining it all and saying how it is now completely destroyed and useless. The guy did go off to check with 2 other people though, including 'the sarge upstairs', but apparently there is no evidence to suggest there has been criminal damage, and referred me to the Citizens Advice Bureau.

I figured that they will be more likely to listen as they have half our drop in sessions, more than enough time to actually go through it all properly, and if it does turn out there is a case for criminal damage I'm sure they will reference me to the police themselves or something and they will actually act on it. By the time I got there though it was closed as it shuts at 2pm, so I'm just going to have to go there tomorrow.

I cant believe how useless people are being though, especially the police. I did say I have photos to prove he has damaged it. There was also a girl in there complaining about an officer who didn't seem to care when she reported something as well, so perhaps they are not taking as much notice of things as they should. This is a real downer though. I just want someone with authority to actually listen to the whole story, look at the facts, and say yes you are right. Hopefully the Citizens Advice Bureau will do this!

The guy in question is eBay user: ptgurn_123. Avoid this user! Or at least make life difficult for him at any opportunity!
 
jaybee said:
Just a quick look at his ebay profile and this is my take:

A 16 year old kid. Good ebay feedback record, normally a legit person, mucks up his motherboard then picks on the OP by purchasing his with the intention of sending his muffed one back. Takes pic of his own board and gets busted by OP. Then seeks help so his spelling and grammar improve and he starts to now play the "you sent me the wrong board" shenanigans. Eventually he see's his wrong doing, and decides to send back the original board the OP sent, but obviously feels hemust deface it by ruining the pins as he originally reported, so he does in OTT fashion.

I suggest age 16 purely on a hunch, as he has bought 2 stroke oil for a 50cc scooter, which normally you would only ride if you were 16 but under 17 before you can get a 125.

I think the only way to get something out of this is to look at what others have said in this thread before, sending a "replacement" to the buyer but actually shipping fresh air in a box can work. Paypal/ebay will just see that you have sent something recorded/special delivery and then it's his word only that you shipped air in a box and you then are basically playing the buyers scamming methods in reverse right back at him. It might be worth a punt for the cost of postage. You could say you got it repaired and resent it taking pics of all the board and packaging but then ship nothing. As long as it looks good enough for him to sign for it and take delivery that could be it.

Otherwise, I have another proposal which I would rather email you about.
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My thoughts exactly, especially how his written language suddenly changed after I told him he had been caught, looks like he got a parent in to help or something.

At the risk of sounding like a moron, how do I edit my trust settings? Can't you guys see my email?

Thanks for all the support guys. From what I can gather from yesterdays visit to the Police station, if eBay don't end up doing anything and I am forced to issue a refund I will have to take this to he courts. I really hope eBay do actually listen this time and it doesn't come to that. I have yet to hear back from them though.

On my way to the Citizens Advice Bureau now though to see what they have to say.
 
Ah yes I see it now, I thought it was in the CP or something :p

To be honest, ever since his writing style has changed I got the feeling I was speaking to a parent or something.

I do not really want to go down to his level and start trying to scam him back, that could just cause more problems, I want to win this fair and square. Maybe as a last resort if nothing happens about it I might do something.
 
modez said:
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You don't end my thread!!

Like I said before I do not want to answer a scam with a scam, that would just cause more problems. Plus I have taken this too far to simply say I'm accepting it now and offering a replacement. Plus it would have to be the same size and weight so I would still be down £10!

I just got back from the Citizens Advice Bureau, but again as they are just advisers thy didn't really want the full details. I told him the basic story and that I have evidence, and he essentially said that if it turns out for the worst and I have to refund him and accept this broken board, I would have to go to a lawyer/solicitor and perhaps go through the courts. As he didn't see the pics he didn't give any opinion as to whether there is a case for criminal damage or not.

To be honest I just wanted someone to sit down and listen to me while I go through it all, looking at all the evidence I have gathered, and tell me if I have a case or not. I suppose that is what the lawyer/solicitors will do, but I cant afford money and time wise to go that route right now. I am right in the middle of exam period and I have a ton of work to do.

He said there were one or two I should call today, but to be honest I don't have time. I think I'm going to wait for eBay's final decision, as essentially it does all rest on that as to whether this goes further, and pray that they see sense and allow me to keep the money. If not then there was a drop in session on Tuesday I might go to for a community law service.
 
Yeah the guy said that they do have free sessions like that, which I suppose is good, but I really don't have the time right now, I have too much work to do. If eBay don't let me keep the money, then I suppose I'll have to, but I think I'll just wait for their verdict. Ultimately that is what everyone has told me so far, if they don' side with me again, then take it further.
 
You know what Jaybee, I might take you up on your offer after all, If you are still offering.

All eBay have said is that I can appeal to the decision that was made, and gave me a set of instructions, but surprise surprise they do not lead me to any option that says 'Appeal', bloody useless they are! They have also already issued the refund and I have to reimburse them, so clearly they lied when they said they were going to look into it again properly.

Looks like Court is the way to go. I can't go to any solicitor until Friday though, so yeah if jaybee if you are willing to go speak with him on my behalf that would be great, let him know I'm not letting this drop, and he might as well spend that money he got back on a lawyer. Would be interested to see what he says though. He might not be a kid though.

I know it seems my word against his, but he is the only one who has been dishonest throughout this whole thing, plus, I have a photo that shows it in perfect condition at one point, so it would make no sense for me to destroy it before I sold it. Plus his photo is different, and even if he sent my board back perfect, I would have nothing to gain by destroying it myself and drawing this out longer than necessary. None of this makes any sense for me to do it.

I'm pretty confident that if/when this goes to court I will win.

And no this is not the end of the thread because this is not the end of the matter. I am going to continue this and take him to court, and as Oliver has said some people have expressed they wish to know the outcome of this. If you are not bothered anymore, don't read it! Plus it is good to have everything documented. This matter is far from over!
 
There is no guarantee that he is a kid anyway, yes it does seem to look that way, but we don't know for sure.

I've been told the solicitors offer a short free session to discuss your case, and whether they think it is worth it or not. I will see how much they think it will cost, and what I would have to pay, if I pay anything at all, as some of you say, If I win, he should pay, and I am pretty confident I can win.

Does anyone reckon I could take legal action against eBay? Clearly there is something wrong with the company if they keep ignoring me, and all the evidence I have given them.
 
I don't have a credit card, just a debit card.

Hmm, I can has legal aid? Might be something to discuss with the solicitor ...

I have appealed the decision made by eBay, giving them all evidence again, and telling them I will take the matter to court if they still side with him. I doubt it will do anything, but it shows I have tried absolutely everything with eBay, and shows how useless they are. You never know though, might actually get through to someone who will read it!
 
Update:

Well, I appealed to the decision made by eBay for the original case, and it looks like they are going to look at it again, even though he has returned my item and they issued a refund already.

"Your case was placed on hold temporarily. We will get back to you with an update by 20 May, 2011.
Customer support comments:
We asked the buyer to provide written confirmation from the manufacturer or law enforcement authority that the item is counterfeit.

You can view the details of this case in the Resolution Centre."

I think this is a good thing as he cannot prove it as the item I sent was perfectly fine. However, they have asked me to do something.

"I see you have appealed our final decision because the item you received is completely destroyed.
You have the right to appeal; however, I will only be able to review the case when you provide eBay with necessary information below.

Contact your local Police to report an incident, ensuring that you obtain an incident or crime reference number. This report should be on the law enforcement agency’s letterhead or stamped police documentation and clearly explain the details of your issue. This documentation must include the department/officer’s contact information, the reporting officer's name, badge number and signature.

Please complete the attached seller’s appeal notice, print it out and Fax this document to eBay. You must fax the seller’s appeal notice to eBay within 10 days at ********. The fax needs to include your email address and eBay Buyer Protection Case number **********"

I have already been to the police, and they were insistent that it was a civil dispute and that there was no evidence to support criminal damage, even though they didn't actually look at what I had, they just seemed to eager to shuffle me on. Do you reckon I should try and go back to the police with this to try and get something from them?

What do you guys think, based on what you have seen, is this a case of criminal damage? I would think so.
 
Yeah, probably will call them up, but wont be able to till Friday. I have just been so buys lately I haven't had time, finishing uni and being in exam period and all. This happened at the worst probable time!
 
Yes, that is why I have not been to the police or solicitors yet. Just had my first exam today, and have to hand in my final report tomorrow, but that's done now. Will probably take this up again on Friday, as I have 10 days till my next exam. Should give me some time to visit the Police again.

Apparently jaybee says the area is quite decent, so could be that the parents could be some who care. I don't really know though, obviously they did something wrong if he is trying to scam people, and I have a feeling they might have gotten involved already when his writing style changed. You never know though.
 
Sorry, nothing to update yet. Due to pending exams I was not able to do anything over the weekend, been to busy. I was not able to send out a letter in time either. I do plan on going back to the Police at some point, hopefully this week. Although on the plus side my exams are over next week, so will be more on top of it then.
 
OH MY GOD!! SUCCESS!!!!!

"Thanks for contacting us about your case for the following item:.

110669721535 - *** MSI P55-GD80 Motherboard Intel Socket 1156 ***


We've reviewed your concerns and have reversed the outcome of the case. Within 48 hours, we'll credit the PayPal account used to reimburse your buyer. Or, if another payment method was used, please open a PayPal account and associate it with your address we have on file. This will enable you to claim your money.

If you have other questions, please contact us. You can reach us by going to the eBay home page and clicking "Contact us" in the upper right corner.

Regards,

eBay Customer Support"

After appealing to the case, and with continuing poking, and a bit of slagging off their support system, looks like eBay have finally looked at it properly and are reversing the transaction, giving me the money back!!

:BIG GRIN XD

You have no idea how relieved this has made me. This is a huge weight off my shoulders, now I don't have to both with Police and Solicitors and can continue to focus on my exams! WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I just hope that it sticks!! ;)

I might see if I can't do anything more against this base-tard, don't want him doing it again, plus he has really been an annoyance!! Depends on how bored I get after uni finishes :P

XD
 
Surveyor said:
Nice one.

Will you be sending him the motherboard back now as he'll have paid for it ;)
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I don't think so, they haven't actually said anything about that. He can't use it anyway, it's completely buggered, he saw to that!

Plec said:
I would be tempted to forget about it and chalk it up to experience - it's given you enough stress. Be pleased with the fact that you managed to get a better result than most when dealing with ebay.
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Yeah, maybe a good idea. I wouldn't have done anything until uni was finished anyway. I just kind of want to get him back some more. I probably won't do anything.

If this guy is just a 16 year old kid, he, or his mate, has just screwed himself out of near £100 :P A bit harsh when you are that age XD Serves him right!
 
Thanks guys, can't express how pleased this has made me.

I suppose it would be a fun reminder to him to send it back, so he can see what he wasted his time and money doing :P
I don't want to waste another £10 on postage though, and eBay haven't said I need to return it.

What could I do with this board now? I might try and sell it for spare parts or something. Any chance I could replace the old socket? Perhaps buy a cheap faulty 1156 board and change the socket out? Probably wont be able to, but might be worth looking at maybe ...
 
Nah there is no way I can just bend the pins back, some of them have been properly bent. Check the photo out again. The only way I can see of fixing it is with a socket replacement. Perhaps I will ask MSI about it.
 
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