best board for a E6600?
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Big.Wayne said:
I don't think so? whats your point?
I'm saying £150 (ish) gets you 2GB of DDR533 that if your lucky/good you can try to get it as high as DDR1000
Or if you want some quality DDR800 your looking at £200-£230, so thats roughly £50-£80 difference. DO you ever have a budget guy?
Why get the slower DDR533 for 17 quid more you can get 6400 and have more chance of getting DDR1000.
G.Skill 2GB DDR2 NR PC2-6400 (2x1GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit (F2-6400
(£176.24)
This is quality Ram and does not cost 230?
At this price I think I would take a chance, however if I couldn't overclock it to the speeds I wanted I would simply take the kit and put it into a 'stock' CD2 system and sell it. I understand that not everyone can shift kit as easily at this and may not wanna risk holding back their overclock, so in that case they may prefere to pay out some extra for memory that rated at a higher speed (PC2-6400 or PC2-8000).
For those with no interest in overclocking then a 1GB/2GB Kit of PC4200 is the cheapest option for a new CD2 system.
In my pick-list for a 2Gb Kit of PC2-6400 I have Corsair and CELLShock (£200-£240)
I am truely done with this thread now, bye!
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Big.Wayne said:At this price I think I would take a chance, however if I couldn't overclock it to the speeds I wanted I would simply take the kit and put it into a 'stock' CD2 system and sell it. I understand that not everyone can shift kit as easily at this and may not wanna risk holding back their overclock, so in that case they may prefere to pay out some extra for memory that rated at a higher speed (PC2-6400 or PC2-8000).
For those with no interest in overclocking then a 2GB Kit of PC4200 is the cheapest option for a new CD2 system.
In my pick-list for a 2Gb Kit of PC2-6400 I have Corsair and CELLShock (£200-£240)
I am truely done with this thread now, bye!
Look at those timings to get 1ghz 6,6,6,18 looser than a very loose thing thats about to become loose.
Not really good value then is it!
Who gets a conroe to run at stock?
Sorry to see you leave this thread Wayne I was just getting into it.
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Generally thats not so easy. If you can find some PC2-4200 Micron D9GCT, ok. Most of the time the timings would have to be very loose, shudder.Big.Wayne said:
You don't have to pay that, as I've said before some of the PC2-5300 (anything with D9GMH) the same chips as the PC2-6400. Also the G.Skill NR suggested earlier clocks very well and its a lot cheaper than your suggested range. With memory its worth hanging out on the forums with manufacturer technicians, find out what chips are under the spreaders. A lot of the time sticks just get slower spd's. Only so they have the price range in stock.Big.Wayne said:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101762
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easyrider said:Look at those timings to get 1ghz 6,6,6,18 looser than a very loose thing thats about to become loose.
Not really good value then is it!
Actually C2D prefers bandwidth over timings: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/core2duo-memory-guide_6.html
1067Mhz 6-6-6-18 will beat 800mhz 4-4-4-12.
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easyrider said:
I hope you guys realise that if you had this conversation down my local, you would most likely not leave with your legs intact?
Wow this is a pure gold thread! Handbags at noon!
DDR2 4200 @ 500+ FSB Decent timings too.
Just picked up a kit of 533 ram which'll run 500mhz at nice timings, and 460 4,4,3,8. It's less about the rated speed of the ram, more about what chips are on em. Buy ram for the IC's NOT for the speeds they're rated too. If you get the right IC's you can save a bundle and still have a spiffy overclock.
NV 680i is probably the best chipset out there for Core2 atm. Would imagine crossfire *might* also work on the board. Certainly the best bet for SLI without a doubt.
@clv101 The guy stated he didnt want to run SLI at the moment, so you'd probably get away with a decent 500+ w PSU. If futureproofing is required then obviously something more meaty would be needed.
HDD wise, single raptor 74g (16mb cache etc) for boot/frequently used apps then a couple of SATA 2 drives for the rest.
Mobo wise again is SLI is NOT required then 965/975 would be fine. 975's tend to offer more features than the 965's and should still see 3.8 or so from a 6600 if required. Depends on where you're aiming at clockspeed wise. For monster FSB's the 965's are a safe bet but for E6600 running imo 975 boards will offer a better option. They'll be quicker than 965's in the 400+ range due to the tighter chipset timings.
If an NV board isnt a lot more however it might well be worth going that route although there have been some worrying reports of the NV boards killing ram/blowing up. Pretty isolated cases though.
There's plenty of options out there however, and different people will reccomend different things. I'm what I'd class a "semi budget" overclocker. Tend to mix mid(or sometimes low) end hardware with higher end cooling.
Current bench rig is an E6600 + P5B vanilla + GSkill HZ + DICE/Custom Phase. This rig'll run 4.7+ghz 2d benchable which isnt bad considering the whole rig pretty much cost less than a X6800.
Some people pick higher end hardware for their overclocking and you might well get a different opinion from them. Results maybe better on the higher end stuff, they may not be. Neither is wrong or right it's up to the people asking the questions to judge which of the routes is best for them to go.
DDR2 4200 @ 500+ FSB Decent timings too.
Just picked up a kit of 533 ram which'll run 500mhz at nice timings, and 460 4,4,3,8. It's less about the rated speed of the ram, more about what chips are on em. Buy ram for the IC's NOT for the speeds they're rated too. If you get the right IC's you can save a bundle and still have a spiffy overclock.
NV 680i is probably the best chipset out there for Core2 atm. Would imagine crossfire *might* also work on the board. Certainly the best bet for SLI without a doubt.
@clv101 The guy stated he didnt want to run SLI at the moment, so you'd probably get away with a decent 500+ w PSU. If futureproofing is required then obviously something more meaty would be needed.
HDD wise, single raptor 74g (16mb cache etc) for boot/frequently used apps then a couple of SATA 2 drives for the rest.
Mobo wise again is SLI is NOT required then 965/975 would be fine. 975's tend to offer more features than the 965's and should still see 3.8 or so from a 6600 if required. Depends on where you're aiming at clockspeed wise. For monster FSB's the 965's are a safe bet but for E6600 running imo 975 boards will offer a better option. They'll be quicker than 965's in the 400+ range due to the tighter chipset timings.
If an NV board isnt a lot more however it might well be worth going that route although there have been some worrying reports of the NV boards killing ram/blowing up. Pretty isolated cases though.
There's plenty of options out there however, and different people will reccomend different things. I'm what I'd class a "semi budget" overclocker. Tend to mix mid(or sometimes low) end hardware with higher end cooling.
Current bench rig is an E6600 + P5B vanilla + GSkill HZ + DICE/Custom Phase. This rig'll run 4.7+ghz 2d benchable which isnt bad considering the whole rig pretty much cost less than a X6800.
Some people pick higher end hardware for their overclocking and you might well get a different opinion from them. Results maybe better on the higher end stuff, they may not be. Neither is wrong or right it's up to the people asking the questions to judge which of the routes is best for them to go.
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D9GCT 1000MHz??
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120619
D9GCT 1000MHz??
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120619
4 pages in... time to add some TRUTHS to this thread
As mentioned before... RAM rated PC4200 CAN sometimes do 500MHz+. Supply and demand. its all about the ICs..some are used in lower-end RAM batches. I cant comment on specific cheaper RAM to buy as I was spared all the hunting when I got my special Edition RAM, but to say PC4200 can do 500MHz is like saying an Opteron 144 or 3200+ cant do 2.9GHz...
965 and 975 chipsets CAN yes CAN run SLI. There are hacked drivers available. 8800 SLI wont run properly on 965, due to the 2nd slot being 4X speed and coming through the southbridge, but lower-end cards will run fine on 965 in SLI, and 975 is totally fine.
SLI and Crossfire is a driver thing.... a PCI-E 16X slot is a PCI-E 16X slot no matter how its marketed.
Third....some batches of the E-VGA 680I boards are killing RAM. The boards need time, though someone has to be first to buy into it.
Why do you think DFI, Asus, Abit et al have yet to supply boards? E-VGA made good money by being first to market, but the board isnt ready yet...not really
As for performance... its not as good as it could be. If pure MHz are what you`re chasing, go for it, but performance per clock is not as great. Internal latencies are slacker to allow higher MHz.
Argue with me all you like. Those are FACTS.
Kenny
As mentioned before... RAM rated PC4200 CAN sometimes do 500MHz+. Supply and demand. its all about the ICs..some are used in lower-end RAM batches. I cant comment on specific cheaper RAM to buy as I was spared all the hunting when I got my special Edition RAM, but to say PC4200 can do 500MHz is like saying an Opteron 144 or 3200+ cant do 2.9GHz...
965 and 975 chipsets CAN yes CAN run SLI. There are hacked drivers available. 8800 SLI wont run properly on 965, due to the 2nd slot being 4X speed and coming through the southbridge, but lower-end cards will run fine on 965 in SLI, and 975 is totally fine.
SLI and Crossfire is a driver thing.... a PCI-E 16X slot is a PCI-E 16X slot no matter how its marketed.
Third....some batches of the E-VGA 680I boards are killing RAM. The boards need time, though someone has to be first to buy into it.
Why do you think DFI, Asus, Abit et al have yet to supply boards? E-VGA made good money by being first to market, but the board isnt ready yet...not really
As for performance... its not as good as it could be. If pure MHz are what you`re chasing, go for it, but performance per clock is not as great. Internal latencies are slacker to allow higher MHz.
Argue with me all you like. Those are FACTS.
Kenny
K404 said:
Well Kenny,
For starters 8800 in sli needs two 16x pci-e slots.Not two 8x pci-e slots.
A 16x slots become an 8x slot when running SLI unless you have a mobo that has two true 16x pci-e lanes.
Look at my thread Using SLI on 975 Asus P5W DH Xfire mobo.
Seen it done it and worn the T shirt.
As for the ram...whats the point in wasting time looking for 4200 stuff with the chips? When for a liitle more you will have more chance with 6400 stuff.
The price difference is minimal.
Some of the EVGA's are killing ram for the voltages people are using.
I have upgraded form a 975x ASUS P5 W DH and my 680i blows it away both in overclocking stabilty and speed.
New bios revs will only make it better so I talk from first hand experience.
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easyrider said:
Well Kenny,
For starters 8800 in sli needs two 16x pci-e slots.Not two 8x pci-e slots.
A 16x slots become an 8x slot when running SLI unless you have a mobo that has two true 16x pci-e lanes.
Look at my thread Using SLI on 975 Asus P5W DH Xfire mobo.
Seen it done it and worn the T shirt.
As for the ram...whats the point in wasting time looking for 4200 stuff with the chips? When for a liitle more you will have more chance with 6400 stuff.
The price difference is minimal.
Some of the EVGA's are killing ram for the voltages people are using.
I have upgraded form a 975x ASUS P5 W DH and my 680i blows it away both in overclocking stabilty and speed.
New bios revs will only make it better so I talk from first hand experience.
I agree I was using a DS4 and upgradeed to the EVGA its amazingly stable and the speed is great as well it would be stupid not paying an extra 20 quid for faster RAM
Stelly
easyrider said:
Thankyou for proving that SLI works on XFire...why are you saying it doesnt?
easyrider said:
Sense of satisfaction? cant afford £220+ for officially rated stuff? Whats the point in anything we do? "Whats the point" is not a comeback
easyrider said:
If the board cant safely supply the voltage, why offer it? Agreed, some people are pushing voltages, but other boards didnt kill the RAM. If your 680I is giving you better benchmark scores, you were missing something on your 975 board.
easyrider said:
Dont give yourself credit for stating the obvious please.. I can talk from first hand experience that AMD will improve their CPUs to fight Intels?
easyrider said:
Well Kenny,
For starters 8800 in sli needs two 16x pci-e slots.Not two 8x pci-e slots.
A 16x slots become an 8x slot when running SLI unless you have a mobo that has two true 16x pci-e lanes.
Look at my thread Using SLI on 975 Asus P5W DH Xfire mobo.
Seen it done it and worn the T shirt.
As for the ram...whats the point in wasting time looking for 4200 stuff with the chips? When for a liitle more you will have more chance with 6400 stuff.
The price difference is minimal.
Some of the EVGA's are killing ram for the voltages people are using.
I have upgraded form a 975x ASUS P5 W DH and my 680i blows it away both in overclocking stabilty and speed.
New bios revs will only make it better so I talk from first hand experience.
As I've said before mate, you missed something with your other mobo's not being able to get 4ghz. I've had over 4ghz on 2 965 boards and a 975 board from an E6600, wouldn't say they were pushed either. Other people will I'm sure have had similar experiences.
Regarding the 680i boards bit-tech's tech guru Tim lost quite a bit of hardware to these boards too. Highly doubt he'd be heavily overvolting or pushing hardware for a review.
You seem to missed the point re the ram too.... (or maybe you didnt....) I'd rather save a few quid and do a little research rather than spend out needlessly on ram (pretty sure most others would probably think a similar way...). Maybe some of the 4200 kits ARE close in price to 6400 and therefore may not be worth looking at, but some aren't. Look outside the box....
Again it boils down to people not choosing hardware based on its name, but spending a little time and researching what is actually worth spending cash on. This I'd guess is what separates someone who actually knows their PC and overclocking over someone who simply "buys" their overclock.
I think the notion that just cos somethings faster at stock that it'll overclock futher and give better results is flawed...
K404 said:
If you read the thread properly you would see that we were talking about 8800 GTX 's in SLI.
These need two full 16x PCI-e lanes to work.
Again read the thread.
looking on OCUK you can get :
Crucial 2GB Value Select (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-4200C4 Dual Channel Kit
(£158.61)
G.Skill 2GB DDR2 NR PC2-6400 (2x1GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit (F2-6400
(£176.24)
The difference between the two is £ 17.63 not 70 I'm sure someone getting a conroe rig and on a budget could squeeze this ammount to get the 6400 and allow the full clocking potential of conroe to be unleashed.
GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC5300 667MHz Value DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (£152.74
Quality 6400 ram does not have to cost 220+
So a mobo that offers 1.9v for a cpu does not mean that it would be safe to use on a 6300 just because it offers it.
I have never heard anything so funny in my life!
I have had 3 x 975 mobos all from different manuafactuers.
And ALL have been inferior to this 680i warts an all.
Of course they will.
What has that got to do with this thread?
Easyrider
easyrider said:
If YOU'D read the thread carefully you'd see the poster actually wanted to move away from SLI. See the first post.
I don't think you got kenny's point re voltages either. 1.9v IS too much for the CPU, but if the option is available in bios then the board SHOULD be able to supply that voltage if it's set.