Poll: Best Winger in the PL?
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Bale scored 9 goals from 136 shots last season.
I should say, I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent but Bale needs a decent manager to rein him in and make him play to his strengths.
Yes, disregarding Messi & Ronaldo if that's what you you find particularly surprising. I wouldn't really call either of them wingers these days.
Seriously?
Robben? Ribery? Di Maria? Villa?
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Valencia and Nani for me. I'll sound biased but the only other one on that list that contends with them is Bale imo.
Sorry I'm causing this thread to go a little off topic, but you've pretty much highlighted what I'm getting at:
Robben - undoubtedly good, but not the player of a few seasons ago. Would Utd or Spurs fans swap Nani and Bale for Robben? I think the answers would be mixed...
Ribery - never rated him like Giggs or Robben at his best.
Di Maria - another one who's good, but really only makes a list of the best wingers right now because there isn't that much competition.
Villa - a striker being played out of position, and currently broken. Who knows if he will ever be as good as he was.
These are good players, but if you compare them to the best of those the Premier League has been graced with over the years then they just don't excite as much.Ribery - never rated him like Giggs or Robben at his best.
Di Maria - another one who's good, but really only makes a list of the best wingers right now because there isn't that much competition.
Villa - a striker being played out of position, and currently broken. Who knows if he will ever be as good as he was.
Tricky one this as I feel inconsistency is inherent to almost all wingers.
So which to go for, one that maintains their level of performance most consistently, while perhaps rarely being truly exceptional (which would be Valencia on that basis) or one whose most capable on thier best day (which would be either Nani or Bale for me).
Nobody stands head and shoulders above the rest so I think I'll hold my vote for now.
So which to go for, one that maintains their level of performance most consistently, while perhaps rarely being truly exceptional (which would be Valencia on that basis) or one whose most capable on thier best day (which would be either Nani or Bale for me).
Nobody stands head and shoulders above the rest so I think I'll hold my vote for now.
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My thoughts were the same really.
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Consistency is mostly about how narrow a range your performances fall into. Someone who only has 1/10 games every game, is consistent, someone who is always between a 6/10 and a 8/10, is consistent. Valencia puts in 9/10 performances, and 1/10 performances, he's anything but consistent, he was beyond horrific in the champs league final, and has had several more completely awful performances this year.
Anyway, Bale world class crosser and great finisher, lol. Pretty much the most prolific shooter in the last 10-15 games of the season with the worst scoring rate, in terms of crossing 95% of his game is running faster than anyone, getting beyond the entire team, not looking up and blasting in a ball before anyone is there. He has zero finesse to his crossing, its full power every single time usually without looking up. THey go behind the goal, miles over the goal, miles past the goal and occassionally drop in a useful area and even then most people miss the cross because its blasted at full power every single time. More accurate, slower crosses looking up and finding a player gives the guy getting the cross a much better chance of putting the ball in the net.
Last 5 seasons
Young 33 goals, 53 assists, 169 appearances
Nani 25 goals 38 assists, 124 appearances
Valencia 14 goals, 29 assists, 133 appearances
Bale 21 goals, 16 assists, 113 appearances.
Bale obviously is the youngest and the least used over that period, but not as much less as you'd think. Goals he's doing very well, assists much less so. Young has played around 35% more than Nani and has about 35% more goals and 35% more assists, they are very evenly matched in that regard. Valencia has played more than Nani but is well behind those two on goals and assists by any real measure.
Young/Valencia put in several seasons at worse teams, without much in the way of good strikers ahead of them. For me you just can't get past the fact that Valencia's best return in the league is 5 goals, and 13 assists(different years), considering his other years the assists came up as ,2,7,4,3, and the 13 assists included 5 alone against Wolves.....
Best, until he has a second season with over 10 assists, or manages more than 10 goals in the league. Best Winger in the league is a guy who for the first time ever broke 10 assists, still couldn't score and did so getting no less than 10 of his assists against relegation fighting teams, 7 of those against teams who actually did go down ffs. lol, no. That's over 50% of his assists, and goals, against 2 teams in 4 games, the two worst teams in the league by a country mile, 5 goals and 1 assist against a team that was really pushing Derby as the worst team ever in the league.
Anyway, Bale world class crosser and great finisher, lol. Pretty much the most prolific shooter in the last 10-15 games of the season with the worst scoring rate, in terms of crossing 95% of his game is running faster than anyone, getting beyond the entire team, not looking up and blasting in a ball before anyone is there. He has zero finesse to his crossing, its full power every single time usually without looking up. THey go behind the goal, miles over the goal, miles past the goal and occassionally drop in a useful area and even then most people miss the cross because its blasted at full power every single time. More accurate, slower crosses looking up and finding a player gives the guy getting the cross a much better chance of putting the ball in the net.
Last 5 seasons
Young 33 goals, 53 assists, 169 appearances
Nani 25 goals 38 assists, 124 appearances
Valencia 14 goals, 29 assists, 133 appearances
Bale 21 goals, 16 assists, 113 appearances.
Bale obviously is the youngest and the least used over that period, but not as much less as you'd think. Goals he's doing very well, assists much less so. Young has played around 35% more than Nani and has about 35% more goals and 35% more assists, they are very evenly matched in that regard. Valencia has played more than Nani but is well behind those two on goals and assists by any real measure.
Young/Valencia put in several seasons at worse teams, without much in the way of good strikers ahead of them. For me you just can't get past the fact that Valencia's best return in the league is 5 goals, and 13 assists(different years), considering his other years the assists came up as ,2,7,4,3, and the 13 assists included 5 alone against Wolves.....
Best, until he has a second season with over 10 assists, or manages more than 10 goals in the league. Best Winger in the league is a guy who for the first time ever broke 10 assists, still couldn't score and did so getting no less than 10 of his assists against relegation fighting teams, 7 of those against teams who actually did go down ffs. lol, no. That's over 50% of his assists, and goals, against 2 teams in 4 games, the two worst teams in the league by a country mile, 5 goals and 1 assist against a team that was really pushing Derby as the worst team ever in the league.
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