Poll: Best Winger in the PL?
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how many minutes has bale played compared to young, valencia, nani. 5 seasons ago, bale couldn't get a start, was injury prone and his head was a mess. only turned it around mid 2009.
he single handedly saved us from complete cl embarassment by ripping maicon a new one and making it look like he does it week in week out, it did boost his confidence a little too much and has lead to his high shooting % but who can blame him? he also hit the bar atleast 4 times this season.
our strikers not being on the same page has kept his assists lower than i would like.
redknapp gave him licence to drift. if he stays on the left wing, he will be one of the best left wingers the world has ever seen.
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lol 
Man you love stats........ when they're being used to support your opinion
. (key word - opinion, no amount of numbers will change the fact that this kind of thing is entirely subjective and open to interpretation).Also, don't you think it's kinda dumb to point out that 1/10 every week is consistent? When people talk about consistency, is there a single person out there that doesn't assume what is actually meant is a consistently decent level? Unless you specifically state otherwise, to say a player is consistent is normally a compliment, why on earth would you use the term for a player that gives a 1/10 performance every week?
I think you're very wrong about Valencia too, if there's one player off this list that you know what you're going to get from, it's him. The flip side to that is he will rarely do something exceptional. To say his performances range from 1/10 to 9/10 is just not true, come kick off you know you're getting a player that will run the line, try to beat a player or two and put crosses in when he can. Some weeks he will be more effective at this, some weeks less. I would struggle to vote for Valencia on this one though, not for any of the reasons you mentioned, but because the best from Valencia doesn't come close to the best from some of the other players on the list. It really is only his consistency that even keeps him in the discussion.
Anyway, who is your vote going to? I would guess one from Young/Nani, but even after that wall of text I'm still not actually sure
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shouldn't affect it though as surely fans allegiances shouldn't come into this
Even if there's no concious bias, people will vote for the players they've seen the most of.
Anyway, who is your vote going to? I would guess one from Young/Nani, but even after that wall of text I'm still not actually sure
If he can bring himself from his preaching long enough to vote I'd bet my mortgage on him going for Young
Club allegiances will always come into these votes, it's literally impossible for them not to. Look at the CB vote, Coloccini/Agger/Skrtel/Ferdinand, I wonder how many of those votes came from their own fans, quite a lot if not all I would guess.
That's not to say anything underhand is going on, as Tunney pointed out, sometimes it can be as simple as you've seen more of your own player. Or it could be that you don't see any obvious stand outs from other clubs, so when there's almost nothing in it, it's very likely you will edge towards your own player.
The only true recognition comes from fans of other clubs, any other time there can at least be the perecption that home favourite voting is going on.
It would be interesting to do a vote where you weren't allowed to vote for someone from your own team, unfortunately it would also be very impractical.
That's not to say anything underhand is going on, as Tunney pointed out, sometimes it can be as simple as you've seen more of your own player. Or it could be that you don't see any obvious stand outs from other clubs, so when there's almost nothing in it, it's very likely you will edge towards your own player.
The only true recognition comes from fans of other clubs, any other time there can at least be the perecption that home favourite voting is going on.
It would be interesting to do a vote where you weren't allowed to vote for someone from your own team, unfortunately it would also be very impractical.
So far (for the record) my votes have been: Reina (Liverpool), Sagna (Arsenal), Vidic (Man Utd), Cole (Chelsea), Nani (Man Utd). I guess I could have voted for Kompany but he had enough votes and wanted to bump Vida's numbers up
Have you actually read any of this thread?
Nothing on this forum surprises me anymore
What are they then?
They're wingers, I suspect he's a little hung up on the meaning changing over the years .
It's a bit like old DM's vs new DM's. In Keane's day for example a defensive midfielder was more of a box to box player, nowadays a DM does little beyond guard the back four.
Go back fifteen years and 442 was the dominant formation, over the last few years 451/433 has really started to take over, causing the roles to change slightly. What can you do, either stop calling them DM's/wingers alltogether, or accept that the modern version is slightly different than it used to be.
Unless there's another reason?
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This highlights something that occured to me earlier today, a formation poll might have been worth doing, since it could influence a few of the choices. Most obvious examples would be Valencia, I don't think he gets the nod unless it's a 442. And Silva, who surely can't miss out, yet since you've gone with 442, we're going to end up shoe horning him into a position he's not actually suited to.
.It's a bit like old DM's vs new DM's. In Keane's day for example a defensive midfielder was more of a box to box player, nowadays a DM does little beyond guard the back four.
Go back fifteen years and 442 was the dominant formation, over the last few years 451/433 has really started to take over, causing the roles to change slightly. What can you do, either stop calling them DM's/wingers alltogether, or accept that the modern version is slightly different than it used to be.
Unless there's another reason?
EDIT
This highlights something that occured to me earlier today, a formation poll might have been worth doing, since it could influence a few of the choices. Most obvious examples would be Valencia, I don't think he gets the nod unless it's a 442. And Silva, who surely can't miss out, yet since you've gone with 442, we're going to end up shoe horning him into a position he's not actually suited to.
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I'd call someone glued to the wing a winger, whereas someone who cuts inside, or doesn't get his feet white I'd call a wide midfielder or forward (old fashioned inside forward if you prefer, as opposed to a number 9 striker), depending on the system played.
Jordan Henderson is a case in point - he played (loose definition there) on the end of the midfield for most of the season, but you'd struggle to argue that he was on the wing.
Nani I'd call a forward (a wide forward, what used to be an inside forward), as he does little defensively, yet tends to cut inside more often than not. Mata, Silva, N'Zogbia and Young too when played wide. Kuyt would probably count as one too, if he didn't run a mini-marathon in each match.
A winger is something less used now due to fullbacks having an increasing influence going forward, but Valencia is probably the closest we've got now, and Bale when he's in a disciplined mood.
Jordan Henderson is a case in point - he played (loose definition there) on the end of the midfield for most of the season, but you'd struggle to argue that he was on the wing.
Nani I'd call a forward (a wide forward, what used to be an inside forward), as he does little defensively, yet tends to cut inside more often than not. Mata, Silva, N'Zogbia and Young too when played wide. Kuyt would probably count as one too, if he didn't run a mini-marathon in each match.
A winger is something less used now due to fullbacks having an increasing influence going forward, but Valencia is probably the closest we've got now, and Bale when he's in a disciplined mood.