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Bike Crime

Discussion in 'Biker's Cafe' started by PooKer, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. PooKer

    Hitman

    Joined: Jan 16, 2008

    Posts: 612

    Location: East Sussex

    So in my area bike theft has been on the up and up. To the point I've considered selling the bike or getting a tracker. But I don't need to worry anymore. Police are going to clamp down on this with..... yep.... Smartwater...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eil-new-water-pistols-use-tag-moped-yobs.html

    Anyway one of the trackers I've looked at is the Monimoto as a flyer came with my new biking bits and its got a £10 off voucher. Simple to install and running cost seem to be one of the lowest long term.

    Anyone else using a tracking system?
     
  2. AndyCr15

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 28, 2011

    Posts: 10,671

    Location: Barnet, London

    The Smartwater pistols sounds a reasonable idea tbf.

    I use a CarLock Basic on my bike. It's reasonably cheap, but probably not that hard for a thief to remove if they looked for it...
     
  3. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 12,805

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    I shut mine in a garage, leave the alarm on and have GAP insurance.
     
  4. AndyCr15

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 10,671

    Location: Barnet, London

    So... no, you don't have a tracking system then?
     
  5. Snaggle

    Mobster

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    Location: Northants

  6. Razor-BladE

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 15, 2009

    Posts: 4,103

    Location: Bristol

    Looking through their website, I saw a 'check price', clicked on it.. £140.. not too bad I thought.. 3 year subscription.. £410! :eek: So the device and 3 years is £550. That seems a lot to me.
     
  7. tom_e

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Dec 26, 2003

    Posts: 26,855

    Location: West mids

    £11.38 a month for the service and infrastructure doesn't seem too bad, it can't be cheap for the companies. £15 a month if you include the device cost, still much less than most people's mobile contract and with a much lower user base to make their money back.
     
  8. ttaskmaster

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Sep 11, 2013

    Posts: 9,767

    NVM
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2019
  9. Razor-BladE

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 15, 2009

    Posts: 4,103

    Location: Bristol

    But if you claim on insurance, would your premiums go up £180+? And if it did it would start to go back down again the year after.
     
  10. quad

    Gangster

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    Location: at my desk

  11. Snaggle

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    Location: Northants

  12. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 12,805

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    Nope, if it is gone then I'd rather not have it back damaged and repaired.
     
  13. PooKer

    Hitman

    Joined: Jan 16, 2008

    Posts: 612

    Location: East Sussex

    GAP, insurance for insurance.... and the longest they can be is what 4 years?

    I'd rather recover the bike myself vs the police recovering the bike and adding on fees (police fee's are between £150-300). A lot less painful that dealing with insurance claims, premiums going up etc.
    3 year's cost + purchase price for the one I originally looked at plus the other two mentioned are:

    Monimoto £242.10 (using 10% off eBay with ghostbikes)
    CARLOCK BASIC £264.15
    AUTOMATRICS £547.20 (they do pay up to £200 towards police recovery should the worst happen)

    Opted for the Monimoto as it'll be easier to hide on the bike.
     
  14. silk186

    Gangster

    Joined: Nov 7, 2013

    Posts: 107

    Wow, I never heard of police fees.
    My solution was to buy used bikes. I never had one stolen, but at least if it was it wouldn't hurt as much.
    A tracker is not a bad idea, its much more likely to be stolen when you park it somewhere.

    When I moved to London I no longer had a secure storage so I sold it.
     
  15. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

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    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    I've never owned a bike older than four years as my main bike.
     
  16. khemist

    Soldato

    Joined: Nov 9, 2006

    Posts: 5,098

    Location: Scotland

    I use the Monimoto, my first bike, a 2016 Yamaha WR125R was nicked and i was kicking myself because i considered getting a tracker but then decided against it because i lived in a half decent area and THOUGHT it would be ok.

    Now i've got an Almax chain around the swingarm and around a lamppost, monimoto tracker, good disc lock and a cover over my 250 Rally, if they manage to nick that then i doubt i would get another bike unless i had a garage to store it.
     
  17. Avalon

    Soldato

    Joined: Dec 29, 2002

    Posts: 5,568

    Although the smart water pistol sounds laughable, my mate had two bikes nicked in two weeks, one of the little scroats got locked up because an officer was able to squirt him with this while he made his getaway on another stolen bike... surprisingly he was out on bail for bike theft at the time.

    Tracker wise a genuine TK102B was always my weapon of choice. Literally a few quid a year to run.
     
  18. PsychoPigeon

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Dec 20, 2008

    Posts: 1,318

    So realistically, is there any point in buying more than 1 disc lock? If they can get through one they can get through them all, at that point there's not much you can do if they're prepared.
     
  19. Avalon

    Soldato

    Joined: Dec 29, 2002

    Posts: 5,568

    It’s very simple: Security is a layering process and thieves are looking for soft targets. If you were given the choice of stealing two identical bikes, one has a disc lock, sprocket lock, alarm/immobiliser and a bike cover and looks to be security marked and the other just has the a disc lock, which one is likely easiest?

    Since the advent of the lithium-ion battery and portable angle grinders with enough torque to do damage, nothing is really safe, but generally your job is to make it not the quickest/easiest one to steal.
     
  20. Nomisf

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Aug 6, 2006

    Posts: 1,379

    Location: Reading

    Ultimately this is all you can really do, given there are now people willing to angle grind the locks of a bike in broad daylight with the alarm blaring away then potentially lift it into the back of a van, your job is just to make it take as long as possible compared to the closest comparable bike.

    It also depends what kind of tea-leaf you bike is going to attract. If its a uncommon, vaguely high end bit of kit thats likely to be "stolen to order" - its going to be in the back of a van, off to a shipping container where no amount of tracker is going to be able to get a signal off before a skilled thief can disable it. Making you only defense good insurance.

    My solution was a £450, 20 year old Honda Deauville NT650 when I was commuting. I didn't even want to be seen on it...