Birmingham town center what a crap hole.

fus said:
I know both these places well, and yes they have gone downhill. Is this due to the influx of the Asian community? Remember, correlation is not the same as causation.
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Let me put it this way the Alum Rock 40 years ago it was a VERY nice place
no dirty streets,no carp everwhere, you used to see people cleaning the font door steps with polish.

UB40 and The Specials used to go to the pubs there not so long back.
It was clean and tidy. So make your own mind up what changed in them years.
 
Oh no! I'm so insecure I feel uncomfortable if I'm not surrounded by people that look like me! Halp!
 
To the OP, Warwick is quite nice in the "old England" way that makes Stratford nice.

To all those complaining about Brum, I advise you never go to Leicester, its a nice enough small city but iirc it has just become the first white minority city in Europe.

I liked living there, it had the feel of a city but I felt genuinely safe where ever I was at whatever hour. I've never had that feeling in either Birmingham or Nottingham.
 
Geckovich said:
To all those complaining about Brum, I advise you never go to Leicester, its a nice enough small city but iirc it has just become the first white minority city in Europe.
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No it hasn't.


According to 2006 estimates, 58.3% of residents are white British (just under 170,000 people), 3.7% other white (around 10,000 people), 29.4% Asian or Asian British (some 84,000 people), 4.6% black or black British (some 9,000 people), 2.6% mixed race (approximately 6,000 individuals) and 1.5% Chinese or other ethnic group (over 2,000 people).

Amongst some of Leicester's emerging ethnic groups are the Poles who now number an estimates 30,000 in the city.
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(Wiki).

Leicester won't have a minority white population until the percentage of whites is lower than that of at least one other ethnic group. Currently, this is not the case.
 
deuse said:
Let me put it this way the Alum Rock 40 years ago it was a VERY nice place
no dirty streets,no carp everwhere, you used to see people cleaning the font door steps with polish.
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Just out of interest, how old are you? Were you in Alum Rock 40 years ago?
 
I used to go shopping in Birmingham city centre every month or two a couple of years ago. The place use to be full of interesting record shops and stuff and the old rag market was cool. Now the new Bullring has ruined it all, the whole centre has just totally changed, it's to fancy and corporate now!

I didn't feel out of place or intimidated by the minority groups even though there were more than in my local town. However I will admit in some of the suburbs and small centres it is like going to a totally different country!As always the tribes/clans stick together to get comfortable and generally it is not an issue as business' change and swap anyway.
 
Those figures are 3 years out of date. My figures were from a 2008 article I had to reference whilst at Uni in Leicester.

Admittedly it is a long way off for any of the other ethnic groups to become larger than the White British group, but many would take white minority to mean less White British than non white British.
 
Geckovich said:
Those figures are 3 years out of date. My figures were from a 2008 article I had to reference whilst at Uni in Leicester.
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So where did your stats come from, and what are they?

Admittedly it is a long way off for any of the other ethnic groups to become larger than the White British group, but many would take white minority to mean less White British than non white British.
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That's pretty stupid of them. White minority means a minority of all white people. White non-British are still white! And I speak as a British citizen who is also a non-British white.
 
Evangelion said:
So where did your stats come from, and what are they?



That's pretty stupid of them. White minority means a minority of all white people. White non-British are still white! And I speak as a British citizen who is also a non-British white.
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I'll try to find the stats for you if you're interested, it wont be for a week or so though as I'm in York at a Wedding all week, I'll have to send you them in trust I guess, this threade will be long gone by then. If you wanted to look yourself they were from a crime survey (I studied criminology) conducted in mid 2008 - Not the british crime survey, I'm fairly sure it was more local that that, maybe Leicestershire and Rutland or East Midlands.

Sorry I'm patchy on details, it was just a figure I remember cropping up which caused quite a lot of debate in the lecture, as I'm sure you can imagine it would if this thread is anything to go by.
 
deuse said:
So make your own mind up what changed in them years.
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Again, correlation != causation.

There are quite a few primarily Asian communities in Manchester, and none of these areas are any worse than primarily white ones. Many of the worse areas in Salford are primarily white, but again, correlation is not causation.
 
uv said:
Again, correlation != causation.

There are quite a few primarily Asian communities in Manchester, and none of these areas are any worse than primarily white ones. Many of the worse areas in Salford are primarily white, but again, correlation is not causation.
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Dont know what you mean?
You say "correlation" which is a math thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation

and "causation" can't find that anywhere?
 
I can't help but laugh at the people that slate Birmingham so much because they once drove through there, or went shopping there once. Birmingham is such a large place its just stupid to label the whole thing a dump because you've seen less than 1% of it. I worked in Brindleyplace for over a year and that is one of the nicest places Ive worked. Birmingham has more than it's share of rough areas, like the photo that was posted (probably Spark Hill), but believe it or not it does also have some amazing places (and white areas, which quite a few forum members seem to care most about.)
 
i've spent 9 years in Birmingham, and lived most of that time in Moseley, nice area, goiod vibe, yes there are some rough areas as in all cities, but there are the lovely ones too.
 
dirtydog said:
Genuine pic from Birmigham...

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That is Stratford Road in Spark Hill Birmingham.

You'll find plenty of white people on that stretch of road as well.
 
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