Birmingham -What a mess

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Opps - Sorry mod's I see it's already in the other thread I never look in. I am sure you will move it.
I am so glad we moved out.
I spent my first 28 yrs there and 51 out here in North Shropshire.
It wasn't Birmingham itself that made us move but the mortgage rate hitting 12% plus which skint us out - so as soon as it dropped a bit we sold up and bought cheaper up here. All in all it was a very wise move. -Oh and I did get a job transfer. I am not talking selling for a million but selling for £16K and buying for £15K

What is it with labour that they have to spend more than they bring in. Those street names are so pathetic. Destiny road - now I ask you.
 
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DXP55 said:
Opps - Sorry mod's I see it's already in the other thread I never look in. I am sure you will move it.
I am so glad we moved out.
I spent my first 28 yrs there and 51 out here in North Shropshire.
It wasn't Birmingham itself that made us move but the mortgage rate hitting 12% plus which skint us out - so as soon as it dropped a bit we sold up and bought cheaper up here. All in all it was a very wise move. -Oh and I did get a job transfer. I am not talking selling for a million but selling for £16K and buying for £15K

What is it with labour that they have to spend more than they bring in. Those street names are so pathetic. Destiny road - now I ask you.
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There was a court case against them, apparently paying bonuses to male dominated jobs was unlawful so they ended up with a huge bill.

They also faced a real-term cut in their budget of £1 billion between 2010 and 2020 due to Austerity.
 
Uther said:
True, but I'm willing to let another one have a go now.
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That's the trouble, one does no good so it's all change but they are unable to implement anything until they have tried to get rid of the previous party's mess. So because they are not quick enough people want to change
 
VincentHanna said:
There was a court case against them, apparently paying bonuses to male dominated jobs was unlawful so they ended up with a huge bill.

They also faced a real-term cut in their budget of £1 billion between 2010 and 2020 due to Austerity.
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Well our lot spent £360,000 trying to get rid of its own leader. (Cheshire East). Hiring his squeeze for some job.

Now they have the nerve to demand £56 for a garden rubbish bin. Most councillors seem to be highly paid idiots and I have a bin for that.
 
Hagar said:
Well our lot spent £360,000 trying to get rid of its own leader. (Cheshire East). Hiring his squeeze for some job.

Now they have the nerve to demand £56 for a garden rubbish bin. Most councillors seem to be highly paid idiots and I have a bin for that.
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Our council want £40 odd for the garden bin. Glad I don't use one.
 
VincentHanna said:
There was a court case against them, apparently paying bonuses to male dominated jobs was unlawful so they ended up with a huge bill.

They also faced a real-term cut in their budget of £1 billion between 2010 and 2020 due to Austerity.
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I've no issue with people working on the bins getting paid more than office cleaners. I don't regard that as sexism at all (people doing the same job got the same pay, regardless of their sex), let alone a violation of equal pay law. That was just the start of the "equal pay for different work" claims, which now total over £1.1B in Birmingham alone and are increasing daily. That alone would account for Birmingham's entire deficit, even after the funding cuts.

Hagar said:
Well our lot spent £360,000 trying to get rid of its own leader. (Cheshire East). Hiring his squeeze for some job.

Now they have the nerve to demand £56 for a garden rubbish bin. Most councillors seem to be highly paid idiots and I have a bin for that.
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That too. I sometimes joke that I'm going to stand for election on the promise that I will waste public money on beer and strippers and that I'd win on the basis that people would vote for me because I wouldn't be wasting public money as badly as the current lot. Or that we should sack them all and outsource the job to some schoolkids doing GCSE business studies or somesuch thing. They'd do a better job for far less money. I'm also sure than anyone who's played any kind of sim city game would do a better job of town planning because they'd understand that functionality matters and "oooh, that artist's impression looks prettiest, we'll do that" isn't the best way to go about town planning.
 
It does make you wonder what people emptying bins (mainly men) got bonuses for though, yes?

I don't think many public sector workers should be getting any bonuses really. Pay them a fair wage instead, don't incentivise that work with bonuses though.
 
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VincentHanna said:
It does make you wonder what people emptying bins (mainly men) got bonuses for though, yes?

I don't think many public sector workers should be getting any bonuses really. Pay them a fair wage instead, don't incentivise that work with bonuses though.
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I might be wrong, but this IS kind of labours fault, national government dictated local government had to harmonise blue and white collar work to the same grades. so a teaching assistant or a Library worker were the same grade as a bin man/ street cleaner/ parks ground keeper. because pleb work is all the same to people in ivory towers.

They HAD to pay bonuses because they couldn't pay them a better wage because of the grade system.
 
VincentHanna said:
It does make you wonder what people emptying bins (mainly men) got bonuses for though, yes?

I don't think many public sector workers should be getting any bonuses really. Pay them a fair wage instead, don't incentivise that work with bonuses though.
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Why?

e: Actually, I suppose my point is why not.
 
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Will be more to come as well, some of it is bad decisions by the councils but you can't ignore the national cuts to public funding over the last 13 years
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I'd say in reality it's also a case of being capped on how much council tax they can charge. Ultimately if people want the services provided then they need to accept quite drastic increases in council tax - which obviously most people don't want.
 
Everyone is striking for extra pay and then not thinking where it's coming from, issue I have with council tax is they do such a poor job with the money given to them that I worry if it was to raise further what they do with it.
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"oooh, that artist's impression looks prettiest, we'll do that" isn't the best way to go about town planning.
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This is a massive issue where I live, as you drive in there's signs everywhere saying 'Historic Market Town' and the latest 3 buildings (2 office blocks and a car park) are like ultra modern buildings, not sure that fits in with rhetoric they're trying to paint as you drive into town.

They've also destroyed the market by making it so expensive to have a stall that instead of being one of the largest outdoor markets in England it's now about 7 or 8 stalls
 
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