Birmingham -What a mess

Budgets have gone down, costs have sky rocketed, demand for services have sky rocketed and taxes haven't come close to keeping up.

As far as I understand, councils have been "encouraged" to find inventive ways to fill their budget holes and have let a bunch of idiots who run these things play fast and lose with huge sums of money with little oversight and even less capability to do so.

All of these things combined have made a complete mess of the system.
 
Everyone is striking for extra pay and then not thinking where it's coming from, issue I have with council tax is they do such a poor job with the money given to them that I worry if it was to raise further what they do with it.

This is a massive issue where I live, as you drive in there's signs everywhere saying 'Historic Market Town' and the latest 3 buildings (2 office blocks and a car park) are like ultra modern buildings, not sure that fits in with rhetoric they're trying to paint as you drive into town.

They've also destroyed the market by making it so expensive to have a stall that instead of being one of the largest outdoor markets in England it's now about 7 or 8 stalls

Mansfield had the same issue, they kept on putting up the prices to hold a stall with the justification it was costing XXX pounds to clear up all the rubbish then moan about a market town being dead........
 
Budgets have gone down, costs have sky rocketed, demand for services have sky rocketed and taxes haven't come close to keeping up.

As far as I understand, councils have been "encouraged" to find inventive ways to fill their budget holes and have let a bunch of idiots who run these things play fast and lose with huge sums of money with little oversight and even less capability to do so.

All of these things combined have made a complete mess of the system.

Yeah the encouragement to find better ways to grow budget is stupid. I can't recall which council invested some serious money in a solar array farm and the company went bust pretty much after getting the money. It feels like the level of corruption you'd expect to see in the middle east.

Councils should not be allowed to spend those sorts of monies without serious due diligence done.
 
We should seriously consider paying for professional councillors to work full time running their local districts that way councils aren't overrun with silly old woolly minded fuddy duddys and young political activists with no other life experiance looking to get into politics.
 
Why does everyone get a bonus - What is it actually for -surely they take the jobs on the pay they are offered - The only bonus I had was a pen with company name on then went to USA on BA and they sold the same pen with their name on for £2.

If you messed up at work you were either demoted or moved sideways - I knew at lot of useless workers who were moved sideways and it always ended up being a cusshy job.

If a man on the street can see what the council is wasting so much money on why don't the council workers see the same thing or is it bonus related.
 
Why does everyone get a bonus - What is it actually for -surely they take the jobs on the pay they are offered - The only bonus I had was a pen with company name on then went to USA on BA and they sold the same pen with their name on for £2.

If you messed up at work you were either demoted or moved sideways - I knew at lot of useless workers who were moved sideways and it always ended up being a cusshy job.

If a man on the street can see what the council is wasting so much money on why don't the council workers see the same thing or is it bonus related.
Again if a bin man is grade one along with the old lady that puts the books back at the library if you pay them all minimum wage there will be no binmen, if you bump up, grade one pay the old lady is being overpaid for her job, and you have to bump every other grade up.

it's why plenty of rubbish collection services are out sourced now at an extra cost.
 
For people without qualifications in minimum wage jobs, a civil service job is a pay rise with way better terms. But skilled people are walking because they are underpaid. So the public sector is quickly filling up with people who don't know what they are doing.

The other problem is the government wants to run public services like a business. But a business isn't a service. It's for making a profit, but public services can't make a profit.
 
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For people without qualifications in minimum wage jobs, a civil service job is a pay rise with way better terms. But skilled people are walking because they are underpaid. So the public sector is quickly filling up with people who don't know what they are doing.

The other problem is the government wants to run public services like a business. But a business isn't a service. It's for making a profit, but public services can't make a profit.

This!!! Can't tell you how much I agree with this post. I've seen it with my own eyes.
If I told you our staff turn over, you'd think I was making it up.
 
I'm sure if they have a whip round at all of Birmingham's car dealers they'll be sorted in no time.

Might be some cocaine on the bills tho.
 
For people without qualifications in minimum wage jobs, a civil service job is a pay rise with way better terms. But skilled people are walking because they are underpaid. So the public sector is quickly filling up with people who don't know what they are doing.

The other problem is the government wants to run public services like a business. But a business isn't a service. It's for making a profit, but public services can't make a profit.

This is the core issue with public sector. They don't "make money" so the public get pissy when people in these positions are paid anything close to market rate for skilled workers. They then adapt to this and pay people less, get less qualified people and then, shocked pikachu face, those people aren't as good and when you are talking budgets of hundreds of millions, a hundred thousand on someone brilliant at their job is chump change.

My partner works for the NHS and at one point was travelling all over the country by train for work. She wasn't allowed to book anything but cattle class tickets due to the optics despite first class being cheaper if you booked in advance and allowing her to work on the train.

A friend of mine worked for the BBC years ago and he was unlucky enough to be at the heart of the papers picking up on the fact he was travelling via first class on the train because he could get food, a guaranteed seat where he could work for 2 hours each way for less than the cheapest ticket along with buying a meal at his destination. Its all about the optics. Not the actual reality of it.

As to running public services like a business, there is absolutely zero issues with that. The idea isn't to make money from fundamentally unprofitable areas, the idea is that you make decisions that are best for the future of the service. You don't penny pinch this year and pay for it twice over next year. You don't skimp on staffing costs if they will more than pay for themselves in other ways.

Christ, the NHS is paying my partner a high salary and she still get awful IT equipment, a single monitor most of the time (2 crappy, different resolution ones when she is lucky) and does way too much low level admin because they can't afford to hire someone else to do it. They probably lost about 50% of her productivity to penny pinching. IT equipment savings have got to be the most ridiculous. Having 2 large monitors would pay for themselves in a few weeks for most people and yet there they sit with a single 17" monitor in some cases.
 
A lot of places think IT just runs itself and don't want to may much for it. Even though nothing else functions without it, it's probably the least respected job.

Defence and the foreign office are probably the only places in government which do IT properly (and secure it properly). A lot of it is still in house too so they get a good service.
 
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This!!! Can't tell you how much I agree with this post. I've seen it with my own eyes.
If I told you our staff turn over, you'd think I was making it up.
What area do you work in?
And suprise me :p
Why such a high turnover you think?
 
What area do you work in?
And suprise me :p
Why such a high turnover you think?

Further Education. I'm in the middle of an HR>IT integration project so I see live data on a daily basis.

I need to crunch the numbers again to get an accurate figure. We have around 1,000 staff and see people leave and new people join weekly.

There's a few reasons:

Pay - when school teachers have had numerous payrises over the last decade, FE have had very little
Colleagues - usually the good people go first, leaving the not so good
Recruitment - not many people want to work in education, so you pick what you can get
Bureaucracy - very little actually gets done because of all the red tape, it's very annoying
Investment - buildings falling to bits, toilets are disgusting...
Environment - toxic
Senior Management - very poor, projects are all over the place, constantly changing things
Support - very little to non-existent
 
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This is what happens when you have the Boomer and Gen X run an organisation. Straight after they left school, with little experience elsewhere, no qualifications and all they care about is their final pension.
 
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Country is in a bloody mess.

Maybe not in comparison globally, but in comparison to it's former self.

Say 20 years ago, if everyone suddenly got fast forwarded to today there would be mass riots and all sorts, people would be going mental.

It's just that it's happened over 20 years, people don't realise how much worse it's got.
 
This is what happens when you have the Boomer and Gen X run an organisation. Straight after they left school, with little experience elsewhere, no qualifications and all they care about is their final pension.
I heard on radio 4 news last night that councils have lost 62p in the pound in sentral goverment funding since 2010 while costs massivly increased, so what chance has anyone got of balancing the books
 
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I heard on radio 4 news last night that councils have lost 62p in the pound in sentral goverment funding since 2010 while costs massivly increased, so what chance has anyone got of balancing the books

Zero.... more efficient services (you can read this as much less for even more of your own money)
 
The entire council structures of the UK need pulling up along with the pay grades. Good time to finish the union's off once and for all, put in statute all companies over 100 employees need representation at board level.
 
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