Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Looks like they are finally introducing
Namor - King of Atlantis. The original Aquaman.
 
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For me Boseman was the absolute standout of a fairly middle of the road 6/10 Black Panther film and, without him at the helm, I'm struggling to see where the "quality" will be coming from in this film. I still think the basic premise of what Wakanda is and what it has done in the past to maintain it's status is horrific and something which should be called out and apologised for, but I very much doubt that will happen.

I still stand by my semi-sarcastic review of the first film, which details just how terrible Wakanda is as a country and how it was ruled by literal fascists -

ianh said:
Black Panther - 6/10 - A technologically advanced country has built a wall around itself to block any immigration from its surrounding poorer neighbours, keeping them impoverished whilst it refuses to help out. Their unelected ruler forces his people to work throughout the country, banned anyone leaving unless you agree to act as a spy for the regime whilst he personally hunts down and kills those who do not wish to return. He also restricts the internal movement of his people, preventing them from moving to the more affluent cities and instead leaving them stuck in the harsh outer reaches, either harsh dusty plains or on freezing mountains, where they serve as a border force preventing all illegal immigrants who are escaping repression and rape in their home countries from entering.

However, a brave man comes to challenge this appalling regime, to rip down the walls of oppression and share this wonderful technology with the world yet he is despised by those who have benefited most from it, those who live like royals while the rest can only watch from outer reaches. Eventually the disparity between the haves and have nots erupts into Civil War when an attempted coup on the brave new leader occurs, led by the previous dictator and his SS-like personal guard force who show no mercy, even threatening to kill those they love for choosing a side which wants to open itself up to the world rather than remain in isolation, uncaring to suffering of their neighbours.

Eventually the dictator defeats of brave hero, killing him with a single knife thrust whilst our brave hero refuses to be saved, preferring to die as a free man rather than live as a slave.

I'm not surprised this has been nominated for the Oscars, it's a powerful political story with a real heart and warning about the risks faced when good people try to change a corrupt system.

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VincentHanna said:
Martin Freeman is in it (white)
Gigi Bermingham is in it (white)
Tenoch Huerta is in it (Hispanic)



Iron Man had one main black character, and the brown ones were terrorists. Did you moan about diversity back then? Or didn't you give a **** because mostly everyone was white?
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I out of 5 main characters is over representation if you wanna get nitpicky ;)

As to the film itself it looks like more of the same, the first BP was pretty poor compared to other phase 3 movies and given phase 4 marvel products have been very low quality I might get round to watching it on streaming at some point in the future, maybe.
 
VincentHanna said:
Martin Freeman is in it (white)
Gigi Bermingham is in it (white)
Tenoch Huerta is in it (Hispanic)



Iron Man had one main black character, and the brown ones were terrorists. Did you moan about diversity back then? Or didn't you give a **** because mostly everyone was white?
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But wokism didn't exist then.

Now we are doing diversity and representation, how come it only works one way?

I want to see myself represented positively in this film, as I can't relate to any other human struggle or experience unless they accurately reflect my gender, race, age and sexual preference.
 
VincentHanna said:
Iron Man had one main black character, and the brown ones were terrorists. Did you moan about diversity back then? Or didn't you give a **** because mostly everyone was white?
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"Back then" in 2008 there was little to no thought given to the tiny percentage who were asking for Diversity and their requests/demands weren't championed across media or the internet. However in 2022 that vocal tiny percentage has now grown into a far larger percentage with the full weight of the media and SM behind them which makes "Diveristy and Inclusion" the number 1 talking point with any new film nowadays, thats why people who didn't talk about diversity in Movies/TV 15 years ago are now talking about it.

Unless that is you're telling people they shouldn't be asking for Diversity now, I mean that would be the demand of a bigot surely :)
 
ianh said:
"Back then" in 2008 there was little to no thought given to the tiny percentage who were asking for Diversity and their requests/demands weren't championed across media or the internet. However in 2022 that vocal tiny percentage has now grown into a far larger percentage with the full weight of the media and SM behind them which makes "Diveristy and Inclusion" the number 1 talking point with any new film nowadays, thats why people who didn't talk about diversity in Movies/TV 15 years ago are now talking about it.

Unless that is you're telling people they shouldn't be asking for Diversity now, I mean that would be the demand of a bigot surely :)
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The mental gymnastics is strong with this one :)

I mean according to the media including the anti-social variety, all characters must be played by likeminded actors. So only a gay person can play a gay character, only a trans person can play a trans character. So does that mean only a serial killer can play the roll of a serial killer or is this not how it works?
 
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