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wookiee87 said:
My prediction on 50 series prices

Worst case they are closeer to the top end price, but they need to be much cheaper ideally

5090/D - £1800-2800
5080 - £1300-1500
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I'm still optimistic that they'll launch the 5090 at <£2k.

Their whole game is trying to upsell you to the next best card. If the difference between the 5080 and the 5090 is >£500 that doesn't really work. I think the difference was like £400 at launch for the 4080/4090?

An extra £500 for double the CUDA cores/VRAM would tempt a few people though I imagine.
 
Howling said:
What? You realize we actually USE quantum tunnelling in component design, right?
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And? We use that in SSDs for example, not in transistors (quantum tunneling for electrons) - it's the effect without which having SSDs wouldn't be possible. SSD cells also are already perfect size and can't get any smaller for years now, or the effect would be too large to keep any data in them reliably. Same situation with RAM cells (including cache) components and also with analogue bits that are in CPU (for example) - they don't scale down at all now. In other words, we use some quantum effects, in a very controlled manner, which would quickly spiral out of control if components got any smaller - that's how quantum physics work, the smaller you get the more uncertainty you get and then less you can control it, as it becomes more and more random (and you get whole probabilities then instead of certainty). That might work for quantum computers but definitely won't for classical binary ones.

Getting smaller doesn't preclude performance improvement because of quantum effects in the slightest, it just requires accounting for it and in some cases utilizing them. 'We can't use the same design on a smaller process' =/= 'We can't design on a smaller process'
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And yet most components can't and don't get smaller anymore. For years now. AMD engineers said that in interview about Ryzen 9000, data from chips manufacturers show this, engineers from other companies designing components say that, articles about electronics have been showing that with photos for years now etc. - this is all well documented and a known thing, not open for discussion. What changes is just exact design of transistors, accuracy of creating them, materials used in it, spaces between transistors (mostly done for better heat dissipation) etc. Not actual sizes of the components - thickness of these components can already be counted in number of atoms used as is.
 
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TrojanWhore said:
5070ti is the only one I see having a chance of catching my interest, as 16GB is absolute minimum and the gap from the rumoured 5080 spec in CUDA cores isn't huge... all depends on pricing of course, there's a good chance both will land at more than I'm willing to consider.
I'd like more than I'm getting from my 7900XT, but only up to about the same I paid for that (£700) - somehow I don't really fancy my chances, but would be glad of a pleasant surprise :)
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Judging by specs it indeed seems like 5070Ti might be the sweet spot of good enough performance and cheaper. But since we don't know pricing, it could be much less interesting - it depends on Nvidia and how they see competition.
 
Tinek said:
And? We use that in SSDs for example, not in transistors (quantum tunneling for electrons) - it's the effect without which having SSDs wouldn't be possible. SSD cells also are already perfect size and can't get any smaller for years now, or the effect would be too large to keep any data in them reliably. Same situation with RAM cells (including cache) components and also with analogue bits that are in CPU (for example) - they don't scale down at all now. In other words, we use some quantum effects, in a very controlled manner, which would quickly spiral out of control if components got any smaller - that's how quantum physics work, the smaller you get the more uncertainty you get and then less you can control it, as it becomes more and more random (and you get whole probabilities then instead of certainty). That might work for quantum computers but definitely won't for classical binary ones.



And yet most components can't and don't get smaller anymore. For years now. AMD engineers said that in interview about Ryzen 9000, data from chips manufacturers show this, engineers from other companies designing components say that, articles about electronics have been showing that with photos for years now etc. - this is all well documented and a known thing, not open for discussion. What changes is just exact design of transistors, accuracy of creating them, materials used in it, spaces between transistors (mostly done for better heat dissipation) etc. Not actual sizes of the components - thickness of these components can already be counted in number of atoms used as is.
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I don't disagree with any of what you said, but likewise nothing you said disagrees with what I said either. Like we're literally in full agreement, you're just evidencing whats on the left side of my not-equal statement
 
5080 would have been great with 24GB. But then I guess they need to try and bump as many people in to a 5090 as possible. It’s a tactic that has worked well so far.
 
this aint like 3080 vs 3090, the 5090 is going to be in a league of its own, so all enthusiasts will be queueing to get one, the 5080 i think is aimed at non-enthusiasts, an entirely different segment
 
brostradamus said:
i am optimistic that this is gonna be a proper launch with lots of inventory, in a relative sense
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I think deliveries have started reaching OCUK and other retailers (or are on their way!), judging by Gibbo's comments. They'd probably need to be for a hard launch in early January.

Question is on price - 5090's won't be flying out the window if they're £2k+. 5080 and 5070 probably will though!
 
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Dave2150 said:
I think deliveries have started reaching OCUK and other retailers (or are on their way!), judging by Gibbo's comments. They'd probably need to be for a hard launch in early January.

Question is on price - 5090's won't be flying out the window if they're £2k+. 5080 and 5070 probably will though!
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Didn't you pay asus tax and get a strix 4090 on launch for 2k+?r I don't think price is going to be an issue. People were saying this about the 4090, people who want this will find a way to get it no matter how much it harms them.
 
Legion said:
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Is this what they'll make exclusive to the new generation? They always have something for the upsell. Curious to see what it actually is.
 
Noxia said:
Didn't you pay asus tax and get a strix 4090 on launch for 2k+?r I don't think price is going to be an issue. People were saying this about the 4090, people who want this will find a way to get it no matter how much it harms them.
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I had a 4090 on release day yes, I'm down as the first owner in Kaap's owner thread, crazy that it was over 2 years ago.

If 5090 MSRP is £2500 and stock is limited (which it always is) we'll see retailers pricing these at £3k+ the first few weeks, and they'll sell out as long as the stock is really tight. Once stock returns to normal, I think there'll be plenty of 5090 on the shelves with a £2500 MSRP, especially in this economic climate.
 
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