If lots of people are paying £2000 for a bleeding edge GPU (and lots of people seek to be) then guess what... that's the market value of that bleeding edge GPU.
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4070 Ti has been a great card for me. Super efficient after undervolting. People bang on about it's 4K performance but who games at 4K native when you have DLSS available these days? I use DLSS Performance mode and thus rendering at 1080p.
Here is a TPU review of where the card stands at 1080p:
Not bad at all for the 575 notes it cost me brand new over a year ago
Oh and you got humbug saying his 7800 XT is 4070 Ti performance. Yea, ok..
I do.
Only use DLSS if I need to at 4K. Thankfully I get away with it a lot with a 4090.
Agreed, but that also tends to dictate the lower stack prices which is the problem for the majority.
4070 Ti has been a great card for me. Super efficient after undervolting. People bang on about it's 4K performance but who games at 4K native when you have DLSS available these days? I use DLSS Performance mode and thus rendering at 1080p.
Here is a TPU review of where the card stands at 1080p:
Not bad at all for the 575 notes it cost me brand new over a year ago
Oh and you got humbug saying his 7800 XT is 4070 Ti performance. Yea, ok..
7800xt is more like 6800xt / 3080 performance on pure raster anyway
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..and now the lower stack has been stagnating so its a double blow.
Exactly. By all means charge £2k for your bleeding edge, but when your 3rd tier GPUs like a 7900 XT or 4070Ti cost £800 - £900, are only ~15% -30% faster than a £650 3080/6800 XT and (or) have gimped VRAM. You end up with stagnation or even regression in price/performance.
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And $600 for the 5070 12gb that will not get near a 4080 unless nvidia have done amazing job with the cores ipc. And the the abysmal 5060ti 16gb slots in at $500, same as this gen. Nvidia doing very little because no competition.
I can see all the stack being 10-20% faster vs this gen equivalents ,excluding the 5090. But nvidia will have some new feature locked down to the 5000 series.
I can see all the stack being 10-20% faster vs this gen equivalents ,excluding the 5090. But nvidia will have some new feature locked down to the 5000 series.
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It goes over most people's heads that the x080 is diluted to a x070Ti domino down the stack with the price increase.
That's maybe part of it. The other part is Nvidia charging through the nose and AMD thought they can just come in a little cheaper without said features and hope it would work. If nvidia is charging through the nose so are AMD.
They need to release cards at sensible prices on release and not wait for nvidia to release their cards first.
Had AMD come in at £599 and £799 for the 7900xt 7900xtx they would have sold loads more.
Surely possible as these guys are charging through the nose no?
4k native = best image quality and the benchmark for DLSS to aim for. Will be interesting to see how many years it takes for DLSS to match native resolution without bugs.
Of course I'm forced to use DLSS on my 4090 to get FPS close to 100 in modern games, as the 4090 is too slow at native 4K. Though DLSS does have bugs and issues, visual artifacts with certain textures/areas in some games. It's improving, though still not close to native.
5090 will enable more games to be playable at 4K native, which is exciting to me
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Hang on. We were told on here for ages that DLSS is better than native.
Agreed and I should have pointed out that a large part of the problem is AMD and their stupid pricing. They were a lot more sensible with the GRE and the 7800 XT but by then it was too late to impact market share. What’s the betting they go full retard on the 8800 XT (or whatever they call it).
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Humbug has a very special 7800XT though that undervolts to 500mV and clocks to 4GhzLies. Humbug says it is 4070 Ti performance
Humbug has a very special 7800XT though that undervolts to 500mV and clocks to 4Ghz
There's something special going on alright..
4k native = best image quality and the benchmark for DLSS to aim for. Will be interesting to see how many years it takes for DLSS to match native resolution without bugs.
Of course I'm forced to use DLSS on my 4090 to get FPS close to 100 in modern games, as the 4090 is too slow at native 4K. Though DLSS does have bugs and issues, visual artifacts with certain textures/areas in some games. It's improving, though still not close to native.
5090 will enable more games to be playable at 4K native, which is exciting to me
Lies. Mrk says 4090 is way too powerful and it will take a game much more intensive than Cyberpunk to make it worth upgrading.
Yes, he said this earlier this year.
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by feb 2025 developers should be successful in bringing the 5090 to its knees, where do we go from there
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So 4090 was a super halo part with lots of talking points like FG, PT etc.
4070 and below were the volume parts we the same feature set but too little VRAM to use some of the big talking points like FG.
The halo part oversold the other parts like in previous generations. Like the previous gen 3070 out selling 6800 by a huge margin because in heavy RT titles it could be 50% faster or so - but in real life both were unplayable like 16 vs 24 FPS or similar!
I suspect that 5070 will match a 4080. But only where the 5070 isn't VRAM limited. Nvidia's AI texture compression to the rescue? Well maybe but texturesm compression is one thing, the overheads for FG, RT, and PT might be something else entirely.
I wouldn't mind the above so much as long as "journalists" would report things honestly but I suspect Nvidia's PR machine will once again be setting the narrative. Hence nobody who values releases day access will dwell on shortcomings like the latest greatest feature requiring more VRAM than the mainstream cards actually have.
4070 and below were the volume parts we the same feature set but too little VRAM to use some of the big talking points like FG.
The halo part oversold the other parts like in previous generations. Like the previous gen 3070 out selling 6800 by a huge margin because in heavy RT titles it could be 50% faster or so - but in real life both were unplayable like 16 vs 24 FPS or similar!
I suspect that 5070 will match a 4080. But only where the 5070 isn't VRAM limited. Nvidia's AI texture compression to the rescue? Well maybe but texturesm compression is one thing, the overheads for FG, RT, and PT might be something else entirely.
I wouldn't mind the above so much as long as "journalists" would report things honestly but I suspect Nvidia's PR machine will once again be setting the narrative. Hence nobody who values releases day access will dwell on shortcomings like the latest greatest feature requiring more VRAM than the mainstream cards actually have.