Bleeping furious right now!

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One would have to be mighty desperate to work 2 months for free. It's such a selfish suggestion.

Imagine, at the end of the two months they let you go. You're going to be so mad!

I don't agree. Even if they let you go, it is a good boost to your CV in terms of your attitude.

I am actually working for free at the moment. It's a different situation because I run my own business but I am doing the job for experience/education. Personally I would be looking at the benefits and I think there are definitely some in this scheme. I still don't agree that it should be forced upon you so quickly in this way though.
 
How about a system that requires a number of applications be submitted each week before payment can be obtained?

With this the issue is I can send out 10 Applications, get 10 interviews then just go in there wearing trainers and a vest top, holding a can of Special Brew - swear and get kicked out. Just like the guy on the radio show from a while back. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12498529

In my opinion Job Seekers should go to work for the council. I agree with all posters that you should not work at a private company.
 
I've checked the JSA website, try finding a job for anything remotely specific (IE, energy related) - no chance.

It's not designed for that, why would search companies advertise at job centre. At that level you are expected to get of your back. Job centre is for finding a job, any job for people who can't find their own.
 
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I actually think it's a great idea on the whole, really useful for getting the jobless working, and creating a productive workforce out of people that would otherwise be sitting around doing nothing (Whether they want to or not). Maximising output. It's brilliant - however much people disapprove of it, from an economic perspective, I think the guy who came up with it is a genius... Do anything from cleaning up our streets to helping our local small businesses - perhaps not large multinational corporations - I'm looking at you Tescos...
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On the other hand, I do find it a bit ridiculous that they're making the 'well-qualified' do these kind of menial tasks, when presumably they could be getting more skilled-labour jobs...

I also wouldn't say 10 people competing for a job is a high number..... Job markets a cut throat world, and I've found that kind of number to be standard, throughout jobs/university applications etc...

Also amuses me that in basically an hour this has had so many responses...

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With this the issue is I can send out 10 Applications, get 10 interviews then just go in there wearing trainers and a vest top, holding a can of Special Brew - swear and get kicked out. Just like the guy on the radio show from a while back. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12498529

In my opinion Job Seekers should go to work for the council. I agree with all posters that you should not work at a private company.
I don't see why there can't be a feedback system whereby recruiters notify if a person hasn't complied with expected procedure, although this does raise questions of confidentiality.

I also wouldn't say 10 people competing for a job is a high number..... Job markets a cut throat world, and I've found that kind of number to be standard, throughout jobs/university applications etc...
That's not really the same though as you aren't normally asked to work for 2 months practically unpaid simply to be considered for a job, particuarly as they will perhaps hire one and simply do the whole process again for more cheap labour.
 
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It's not designed for that, why would search companies advertise at job centre. At that level you are expected to get of your back. Job centre is for finding a job, any job for people who can't find their own.
The job-centre is useless - but I know people who have signed on & were forced to apply for various retail jobs (even though they had already applied for well above the amount they expect in the field in which they are looking for).

Who said the job-centre should be for just low end jobs?, also - I did get off my own back & always have, but the job-centre should be available to everybody.
 
Its pretty sad that some people on this forum have attitudes like that, as in "I dont see the problem with it". Its not surprising that the government actually gets away with it, due to people reinforcing it.

Its no wonder the Op has to post on a second/alt/different account tbh.
 
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The job-centre is useless - but I know people who have signed on & were forced to apply for various retail jobs (even though they had already applied for well above the amount they expect in the field in which they are looking for).

Who said the job-centre should be for just low end jobs?, also - I did get off my own back & always have, but the job-centre should be available to everybody.

Why wouldsuch companies advertise through the job centre. They wouldn't want to. Job centre isn't for everyone and shouldn't be for everyone. It's expensive and is a last resort, not a first resort.
 
How about a system that requires a number of applications be submitted each week before payment can be obtained?

People seem to forget that the JSA is there to help people legitimately seeking jobs. How on earth is the example in the OP desmonstrating this?

I agree. My one and only time with a jobcentre was when I wasn't going to have a job for around 6 to 7 weeks so I was claiming.

I had 14 O levels and 5 A levels and the bright spark in the jobcentre went to see if there was any suitable jobs for me.

He came back with a permanent position delivering sofas for a furniture company which said very heavy lifting required. Considering I had only ever done office jobs and was physically unfit plus was only looking for work for 7 weeks I asked if he was joking. He said no. I said they won't give me the job once they know I will only be working for them for 7 weeks and he told me to lie and not tell them that.
 
Why wouldsuch companies advertise through the job centre. They wouldn't want to. Job centre isn't for everyone and shouldn't be for everyone. It's expensive and is a last resort, not a first resort.
Then why is use of the job-centre enforced onto everybody regardless as to if they have any jobs available for the area in question (from when the person firsts signs up).?

I agree it's not for everybody, but that's because it does not cater for everyone (but everyone who may sign upto JSA is forced to use it).

Half the people you see hanging around the job-centre need to go back to school first & learn how to speak & write, not sent to work.
 
Is it me or am I wrong in thinking that people that refer to "crappy minimum wage job" are basically what’s wrong with this country and benefit system. I know it’s a bit of a sweeping statement. But my point is that too many people seem to think that with no or minimum job experience, qualifications that they will just apply and walk into high paying jobs?

I started on minimum wage working 3 different jobs around college no ema (another joke people should get part time jobs) and I came from a poor background. The point basically being in my mind is that you have to start at the bottom with a crappy job and work your way up. It’s better to have a job on minimum wage doing something you might not enjoy then just sitting on benefits because you’re not prepared to do a job that you don’t like or want to do. Not everyone gets the job they want people it’s a small and simple fact of life the idea is basically you work to get money while looking for different jobs maybe ones you have an interest in.

The principle being that if more people had this way of thinking the country wouldn’t have such a big benefit culture. I worked in a KFC, bar and office admin all those jobs sucked but I was earning and had some pride that at least my money was my own.

Going back to topic 1/10 chance of getting a job is harsh yes but if she lacks experience it could be a good tool to put something

I actually think the minimum wage is an absolute disgrace. And I say that as an employer. Ideally it would be nice to see minimum wage increased and maybe subsidised by the government and unemployment benefits abolished. Unfortunately I suspect it would result in an increased rate of crime but on the other hand I'm sure many people would soon find the ability to get a job.
 
Then why is use of the job-centre enforced onto everybody regardless as to if they have any jobs available for the area in question (from when the person firsts signs up).?

I agree it's not for everybody, but that's because it does not cater for everyone (but everyone who may sign upto JSA is forced to use it).

Half the people you see hanging around the job-centre need to go back to school first & learn how to speak & write, not sent to work.

It's only forced in last resort when you're claiming. At that point you have failed to get yourself a job and as such should take any job you can get.
 
I'm not going to apply to jobs in Tesco stacking shelf's while I have jobs in IT/Energy trading I'm applying for.

Why on Earth not? Surely money coming in, and a job is better than the alternative?

This idea that jobs are beneath people is totally wrong, not having a job is wrong.

I said they won't give me the job once they know I will only be working for them for 7 weeks and he told me to lie and not tell them that.

Seems entirely reasonable thing to do to me.
 
Pretty much slave labour in everything but name. Good scheme for employers (captain obvious calling...) Has limited benefit to the worker/person. Sure they will get experience but 6am to 5pm and only on £200 a month lol thats well below minimum wage...ahhh but these "internship" (lol!) schemes are all the rage these days.....utter pathetic joke of a system...:rolleyes: Its just another word to exploit someone....sigh...

I remember the days of the yts schemes employers would take on loads of eager young workers then at the end of the placement (up to 2 years) they just say jog on lol we dont have any vacancies...yeah but they are perfectly happy to accept slave labour aint they....

Needs to be balance in the system between both employeee and employer so that neither exploits the other...unfortunately most people are heavily biaised in one side or the other....
 
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It's only forced in last resort when you're claiming. At that point you have failed to get yourself a job and as such should take any job you can get.
Hang on a moment,

So if person A loses his job & starts looking instantly - even taking into account a 100% perfect application & they get the job, they will still be out of work for 2 months (if it's a decent position & they are lucky) - the JSA is to aid them until they have an income.

Also, contribution based JSA is earned through work.

Claiming JSA isn't a last resort for people who can't find work, it's mean to aid people to keep there heads above water in-between jobs (pay for food/transport)
 
Why on Earth not? Surely money coming in, and a job is better than the alternative?

This idea that jobs are beneath people is totally wrong, not having a job is wrong.
Please explain how not having a job is wrong (when you take into account we live in a country which more people than jobs.

This should be good.

/gets popcorn.

It's not the job which is beneath the person, it's the wage they offer for you to do it.
 
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Seems entirely reasonable thing to do to me.

Wasting the time of the employer, delaying another person getting a permanent job seems reasonable? Obtaining the job by deception would look GREAT on a reference and borderline illegal.
 
they wont take on any of the 10 people... why would they ? another 10 in 2 months take their place

Cant she work for a charity?. You may not get paid but im sure its better experience then working in a book shop.
ll they wont let her do that... if you do to many hours of voluntary work u cant sign on either
 
Please explain how not having a job is wrong (when you take into account we live in a country which more people than jobs.

This should be good.

/gets popcorn.

It's not the job which is beneath the person, it's the wage they offer for you to do it.

I should have phrased it slightly differently. It is wrong for someone to sit on benefits when they could have a job. Many people refuse to even consider menial jobs (my job would be included in that) because they think they are better qualified than that. They'd rather sit on the dole instead. That is what is wrong.

I'd also suggest that those who genuinely can't find any job have probably made certain life decisions which have resulted in that. Though, that clearly isn't true for every single person but I'd suggest it's the case for the majority.
 
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