Bleeping furious right now!

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Wow some people in this thread are in for a very rude awakening if they ever lose their jobs for whatever reason.

My only problems with this scheme are:

(A) Its benefiting a commercial company rather than tax payers.
(B) It appears they are being "paid" JSA or not below minimum wage which is disgusting - I thought this country had progressed beyond such backwardness.
(C) It gives them very little time to actually look for another job - but then thats always been my experience of the job center they seem to be there to manage unemployment rather than actually help people into work and it shows.

While there are other jobs out there and the market isn't 100% screwed it is very very tough - the mac donalds in my town certainly isn't hiring and where I work we have 100s of applications for every opening*... on average we have 3-4 people coming in every 2 days asking for work speculatively.


*For 60 xmas temp positions we had over 4000 applications - my boss hates it as hes had quite a few people that previously worked in higher positions than himself i.e. ex-woolworths upper management who are basically begging him to give them the job as they can't find anything else.
 
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Glaucus said:
that's just giving people a job and helps no one. If you were earning minimum wage, why apply for a minimum wage job.

and having a decent CV makes a huge difference, either post on here, or pay to get it looked at.
the difference in interview ratio between my CV and a paid one was night and day. shame I still cant do interviews.
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Because they're still only getting their 106 a fortnight, but are earning it instead of sitting around doing nothing, unless you want them to do disproportionate work for that 106?
 
Surely this entire scheme is merely exaserbating the unemployment problem rather than improving it. If these companies can take 10 of these people on at a time then there must be enough work for at least half of these people. THen, best case scenario, they employ one person out of the 10 and bring in a fresh batch of slaves....sorry candidates. If they just went ahead and employed 5 people and didn't take part in this scheme then there would be a much more positive impact on employment rates....but of course, then the companies wouldnt be enjoying free labour.

It a completely warped scheme that actually worsens the unemployment problem, costs the tax payer money and increases profit for private corporations.

Let me guess, is this a Tory policy?
 
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Martini1991 said:
unless you want them to do disproportionate work for that 106?
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Yep, it gives incentive. They also didn't get the "job" in a free market, so why should they get free market rate. they get a job and loads of benefits(experience, reference, interview) handed to them on a plate and if they do well have a decent chance of obtaining a job. Most will go in and do bare minimum and then moan when they don't get a job. Those 5% who get a job and doing it right.
 
Glaucus said:
Yep, it gives incentive. They also didn't get the "job" in a free market, so why should they get free market rate. they get a job and loads of benefits(experience, reference, interview) handed to them on a plate and if they do well have a decent chance of obtaining a job. Most will go in and do bare minimum and then moan when they don't get a job. Those 5% who get a job and doing it right.
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I'd love to see your attitude on the matter if roles were reversed, and you in this current climate had to work massively under minimum wage for a pitiful 53 quid a week.
Some areas its obviously easier to get a job than others.
 
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I'm surprised no one else has picked up on this or maybe I'm blind and can't see it personally, but what does the lady in question actually want to do here ??

The OP is saying 'i shall tell her to stuff it' or 'support her while she looks' on numerous occasions but maybe the girlfriend actually wants to give this a go and maybe feels rubbish being the one currently supported by her partner....

I'm sure in reality it is not the case but from the OP's language it suggests that the final decision on what this girl wants to do in this scenario should be considered more...

just my 2p
 
Martini1991 said:
I'd love to see your attitude on the matter if roles were reversed, and you in this current climate had to work massively under minimum wage for a pitiful 53 quid a week.
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hes probably one of those lucky ones who can somehow walk out of one job into another with little hassle - I know a few like it IRL and they have no concept of what its like for people who aren't naturally confident, lucky or in the right place at the right time, started their careers on the right foot, etc. strangely enough when/if their luck is reversed they are suddenly making excuses as to why their own rules don't apply to themselves.
 
shadesofgrey said:
I'm led to believe that has changed recently, you can work voluntarilty without it affecting your JSA, as long as you are willing to drop it for paid work.
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its the fact you can be looking for work if your doing voluntary work as you dont have the time to do both acording to the job centre.

i think its your not allowed to do more than 2 days voluntary a week or something daft
 
Glaucus said:
that's just giving people a job and helps no one. If you were earning minimum wage, why apply for a minimum wage job.

and having a decent CV makes a huge difference, either post on here, or pay to get it looked at.
the difference in interview ratio between my CV and a paid one was night and day. shame I still cant do interviews.
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Who'd you use to get your CV looked at?
 
Jambo said:
I actually think the minimum wage is an absolute disgrace. And I say that as an employer. Ideally it would be nice to see minimum wage increased and maybe subsidised by the government and unemployment benefits abolished. Unfortunately I suspect it would result in an increased rate of crime but on the other hand I'm sure many people would soon find the ability to get a job.
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I agree its low but I hate it when you hear people saying it better for me if I don’t work. Might be better for you but it’s not better for the country or the others that have to pay tax that goes into the benefit system that could be used in a much better way.

Another way of looking at it is do you think the figure is low because some people claiming all types of different benefits can equal the figure of minimum wage without having to work? If benefit system paid a lot less than currently would suddenly people start taking these jobs because suddenly it’s better for them to work. I know this is unlikely for the hard core benefit family’s but would be interesting to see.

People sitting at home say I’m not working for minimum wage is stupid you could apply that logic to everyone... I'm not working unless i get 200k a week its just not worth it for me. Laziness and easy life is what the dosers do it for i do feel bad for areas that have low employment and people who have fallen on hard times but those people are normally the ones that find work again and don’t give up while others just sit there saying they can’t get a job while they not willing to do anything they don’t like or be paid a low wage so straight of the bat limit the possible jobs available to them.

It’s a twisted backwards logic which effective doesn’t help the country or anyone whichever way you look at it.
 
Rroff said:
hes probably one of those lucky ones who can somehow walk out of one job into another with little hassle - I know a few like it IRL and they have no concept of what its like for people who aren't naturally confident, lucky or in the right place at the right time, started their careers on the right foot, etc. strangely enough when/if their luck is reversed they are suddenly making excuses as to why their own rules don't apply to themselves.
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I agree, but I can't really comment too much with my inexperience of the system.
Obviously I see people abusing it, but then you see companies abusing it for pretty much free labour at the same time (Though not to the same extent)
I think on my "placement" I'm doing part time, but still more than my JSA's worth (Not that I'm too fussed at this right now) but a couple of weeks experience isn't suddenly going to be enough when many employers ask for considerable/years worth.
 
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Martini1991 said:
I'd love to see your attitude on the matter if roles were reversed, and you in this current climate had to work massively under minimum wage for a pitiful 53 quid a week.
Some areas its obviously easier to get a job than others.
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if it happened and it can happen to anyone, so be it.
I'm not work shy and will take anything however unpleasant it is.
 
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Its something I've very conscious of as awhile back I was made redundant and had a very hard time finding work - supermarkets, etc. wouldn't take me even when they had openings no matter how much I dumbed down my CV as they thought I wouldn't stick around and roles I was more suited for they'd come back with something along the lines of "We were really impressed by you and you'd have been our 2nd place candidate but with so many applicants we were able to cherry pick someone ideally suited to the role" I wasn't even lacking for interviews I had more offers than I could sensibly attend but in the end it was quite likely I'd have been stuck long term unemployed if I'd stayed where I was - I was fortunate in that I had the chance to move to another part of the country and managed to get the 3rd or 4th job I went for - more due to them knowing my brother tho than due to me specifically.
 
Ahleckz said:
Who'd you use to get your CV looked at?
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http://www.cvcl.co.uk/client.htm

used them a couple of times to update them, haven't used it in a couple of years though. As job hasn't changed to much other than going up a grade.

The other thing i notice is CVs change over the years. things like what's included, layout all change.
Cvs aren't my strong point and as you can tell nore is writing. So why do it myself and cheat myself out of potential jobs. When those skills aren't even needed in the job.
 
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Sounds reasonable to me. I don't see why everyone claiming benefits can't do something to earn it until they can find a job whether that be picking up litter or working for the state in another capacity.
 
Tbh in this situation if at all possible I would just sack off the 200 quid a month pittance and associated obligations and look at doing volunteering or unpaid internships in a field related to what I wanted to do, rather than be a work-for-free peon at some discount book store - if the 200 quid was that important I'm sure there are many little things you could do to earn the same amount doing far less work than this scheme requires.
 
I must say here, that it will be a whole lot more fun, if the current Community Action Program trial, goes national, instead of 8 weeks of working for various companies, the great unwashed will be sent to community projects and charities, for up to 26 weeks, working 30+ hour weeks, with a further 10+ hours of 'jobsearch' to be done in a supervised location. And these won't be just menial tasks either, for example, one of the 'volunteers' that I am currently working with, is tasked with developing virtual learning environments for a training organisation, along with developing a management information system as part of the companies shift from paper to digital filing. Not exactly the kind of thing that your average numpty is capable of.

And at the end of the 26 weeks, is there a job for them... nope.. and they know that from day 1, they are simply there to be free labour for the company.

Oh, and by "community projects and charities" you can also include tescos because apparantly they do stuff for the community.. somewhere..
 
cheets64 said:
This is what it should be aimed at, going from the longest on the dole.

What use is it giving someone "work experience" in a book store that has been on JSA for 6 months after losing a job compared to someone thats been on JSA for 5 years and NEEDS a kick up the backside and the skills to be able to work with people and get into a routine, its madness.
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It's more likely to work?


long gaps of unemployment aren't appealing to employers, so if you can prevent them having a long gap you make it much more likely they'll be back in work before they reach 5 years on the dole.


what retard would wait for someone to be sat on the dole for 5 years before doing something about it, tackle it early so you don't have to pay 5 years of dole before you get them back into work.
 
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