Blueyonder 25Mb

100mb.. that'd be wow... just wow.

I'm lucky enough to get 1mb/s downloads with NTLs 10mb internet atm, regardless of time of day.

Wouldn't such high home connection speeds mean a huge loss of sale for a lot of businesses though? I.e. game server providers etc?
 
Avalon said:
Got to say that goes against what i've found in the past with the exception of adsl max but that's a known side affect. I've almost always been able to achieve pretty close to my theoretical max download speed with multiple downloads be it on fixed speed adsl or cable.
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And that goes against most folks' experiences, both in this country and in the "wonderful broadband nations" that get pushed around. There was an ADSLguide article about it, but I can't find it now.

Reports of congestion on the non-Max services certainly weren't unheard of, and neither were reports of poor performance on cable services, especially in the period after upgrades.

Wouldn't such high home connection speeds mean a huge loss of sale for a lot of businesses though? I.e. game server providers etc?
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Not really. The lack of any kind of SLA would make it a no-no for any kind of business-class hosting. Game servers would likely experience increased latency - and you're assuming it's symmetrical 100Mbps.
 
Possible but unlikley, low latency dedicated hosting/game servers still rent well in areas of the world where true high speed broadband is common place.

Using todays speeds as a marker even with 25mbit you are only going to have an uplink of 118k, that's not a whole lot of bandwidth to play with if you are hosting anything more than personal services. Two people on 512k trying to download a file from you would kill your bandwidth in no time, that said you could easily run a personal/community set of services from that kind of uplink if you were that way motivated but for any kind of business it's probably a no-no.

The other thing is security and availability, the CC's only provide residential services to residential property, you tend to find that such property doesn't normally have power redundancy, failover routing to multiple backbones, an automated airconditioning system with fire supression technology or 24 hour support staff. It's a little hard to market yourself as a fast reliable business when you go offline every time some idiot crashes his car into the green box at the end of the street/you have an outage.

Yes those people who want to can still host multiple sites/servers from home but they are probably the same people who would do that on the speeds we have now.
 
Look forward to it. What do you think the upload bandwidth will be?

To think, a few years ago, I was annoyed because I couldn't get 512Kb ADSL. Now I'm sitting pretty on 10MB cable with more to come. Good progress if you ask me :)
 
tolien said:
Bear in mind the higher the headline speed, the lower the average you get becomes. You aren't going to see 25Mbps or 100Mbps or anything like the thing at any time other than the small hours of the morning (if that).
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I found that was true when I first upgraded to 10mb a few weeks back, but now I can get a pretty constant 1mb/sec + at all times of the day.
 
http://adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=2266 was the article I was looking for.

DreXeL said:
I found that was true when I first upgraded to 10mb a few weeks back, but now I can get a pretty constant 1mb/sec + at all times of the day.
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It's a bit like the Centrals issue with the BTw-dependant ADSL ISPs.
The cablecos can keep throwing bandwidth at the problem, but eventually they have to hit a crunch point where they're spending more money than they're making.
Time'll tell where that is, and it's something the BTw-dependant ADSL ISPs/LLUers/cablecos could compete, if only the latter two would reach worthwhile levels of coverage...
 
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I wonder what kind of upload would be needed at 25mbit just for sending ACK packets :eek:

As for whether people need it, don't forget that people may be sharing accommodation and hence connection. With wireless networks this is getting more and more common.

In terms of whether we will see maximum speed all the time on high speed services, what you need to realise is that the faster you get, the more potential areas there are for bottlenecks. Even if your local UBR or ISP has sufficient bandwidth to go round, it may be that at 100mbit the source you are using is struggling to keep up. On 512kbit, it's fairly easy to find a whole range of sites that can upload any given file to you at 60k/sec+. But maybe not quite so many who can consistently push 12meg/sec+ which would be desired by 100mbit users.

Home 100mbit connections would be of no/little threat to Businesses unless the upload speeds were of a reasonable level (at least 10mbit). And we won't see those kind of speeds on traditional UK home connections (dsl/cable).
 
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Does anyone know if any of the cable companys have plans to widen their networks? Or would it cost too much?
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Doubt it will cost a fortune to wire new streets with cable and if they wired say small village they wouldnt make income back i think. :(

Can always send your begging letters though. ;)
 
Just to update, talking to my sis who works for telewest,

lines and servers are ready for 100mbit in the north east, 100mbit in just over 6 months only downside is 2.2 upload

they ARE updating NTL's lines and servers first to get them up to speed.
 
When I first saw this thread I thought Telewest had upgraded all its packages again because i'm supposed to be on the 4 meg package (started as 1meg then 2 and now 4 through free upgrades) yet after fireing up newsbin yesterday i've been getting 10meg speeds (1.1-2mb/sec) and still am.
Not that i'm complaining mind you. :D
 
StevenG said:
Just to update, talking to my sis who works for telewest,

lines and servers are ready for 100mbit in the north east, 100mbit in just over 6 months only downside is 2.2 upload

they ARE updating NTL's lines and servers first to get them up to speed.
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I think 2.2 will be plenty for like of me, although I aint a real upload much kinda person, still 25 meg for the same as 10, and I been on 10 since the start, thank you again Telewest :D
 
What they need to do is make sdsl cheaper, the same upload and download speeds would be much more worthwhile.

Anyway, when they say 24mb, it is more likely to be "Up to 24mb", so on one rare occasion with a following wind will you ever get that.
 
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I think 2.2 will be plenty for like of me, although I aint a real upload much kinda person, still 25 meg for the same as 10, and I been on 10 since the start, thank you again Telewest :D
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yeah well its all well and good being able to download at 1.2MB per second on 10mbit but have you ever tried to upload to a ftp server or something like imageshack it takes far too long, id rather had 6down 4up or something.
 
I had 1GB when i worked with Canon at home as for working on pritner servers remotly they need this 1Gb line. BT came in and fitetd i duno what, look fiber optic to me!

No longer work for em and it has been removed but it was fast

have 2 Tellywest liens tothe house, logn story, one is 10Mb which i have sole use of but not currently as new modem is on it's way as last died!

Then we have 2mB to share ''9 of us on'' i say 9 as i have the 10mb to my self normaly and not all use the net here!

ADSL 2 is 24 to 20MB! London seams to have it already but after expenring bt ''broadband'' or ''aol'' i'd rather send mass data via a pigon and hope for the best

25mb and 100mb off tellywest sounds good! Just hope here in Plymotu hthey can make it work all the time as to on and off and modem that will run it's true speeds
 
StevenG said:
yeah well its all well and good being able to download at 1.2MB per second on 10mbit but have you ever tried to upload to a ftp server or something like imageshack it takes far too long, id rather had 6down 4up or something.
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As I say I aint an upload kind of person, I download a lot, and upload is no concern of mine really.... I already find sending a few pictures etc, even an mp3 via..... Say Msn, no hard ship even at 40k, sending it at 240k is even better.... Sure its a plus having more upload.

But your dreaming if you think those will be avail in the next year or two...upload is a lot more expensive than download for ADSL providers and Cable Co alike......

Upload is a peer to peer dream, hence ISP's aint hot on it....

So give ten years it will still be 1000mb down and 50mb up...... by then Quality of HDTV will be even higher Full scale Blueray avi etc, encoding of music even higher with better sound systems, 7.1 surround now.... complete surround on music and Film later, Picture will be 60 Meg Pixel etc, so your bandwith will be equally soaked up.... even then.....

Most of your games will be downloadable over credit card with downloadable Manuals, lets say 80gig for a game, the manual 60 meg via a high render reader such as Adobe 85 at a staggering 1.1 gig for download.... technology is rapidly expanding so is software.....

Ho hum, i got get more drink....
 
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Whats the price of this thing gonna be?

I am hoping to get cable soon in london

I've heard NTL have slashed their prices so lets hope that telewest follow suit.

Sid
 
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