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Safe say that whatever that it comes out with, it'll have loads of crossed point AF, if the 650D has 9 points Crossed AF, and the 5D3 has 51(?) then the new 70D would and should be somewhere in between. My guess is something like the 650D 9 points but one can hope it'll inherit the 7D's system.
 
I really can't see the 7D having a full frame. It just doesn't make sense for them to do so in my opinion. It would almost definitely cannibalise 5D sales.
 
Safe say that whatever that it comes out with, it'll have loads of crossed point AF, if the 650D has 9 points Crossed AF, and the 5D3 has 51(?) then the new 70D would and should be somewhere in between. My guess is something like the 650D 9 points but one can hope it'll inherit the 7D's system.

Yeh I guess all cross types would be a good move. Still though it would be a good idea if Canon improved the performance of these cross-types instead of just making all the focus points cross type. From what I'v been told from people who have gone from a 7D to D700, is that a cross-type 7D AF point = a non cross-type D700 AF point in terms of performance.
 
Unless Canon fundamentally address their sensor technology to increase the dynamic range, colour depth and shadow banding to be more inline with what Nikon are doing then all the additional features are a bit pointless.

Saying that, this thread ( http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=913638&highlight=jacobsen ) that was posted by someone else the other day has given me a lot of food for thought. I don't believe that if the exif wasn't present that anyone could accurately choose between though two shots which makes me wonder why I'm so attached to the idea of moving to full frame for landscapes.
 
I'm currently looking at the D7000 to replace my 400D as it does seem to be significantly better than the D60 (and cheaper...) and possibly better than the 7D (which is more expensive). However the lenses are the killer. Although Canon have increased their prices with their latest releases the general price points and availability of lenses make Canon the far superior company in the sense of the "ecosystem" (to coin a smartphone phrase).

EDIT: As for the f/1.8 lenses. Have another look. They don't seem to be significantly better than any of the Canon equivilents yet pricing is all over the place. The 35 f/1.8 is very keeny priced compared to the 35 f/2, yet the 28 f/1.8 around £620, the Canon is around £350... The 85 f/1.8 is much of a muchness on both systems... Also look at used prices of the older 70-200 f/2.8's, Canon are about £100-200 cheaper than the Nikon equivilents.

What Nikon really lack is the F/4 range of lenses. They have a 300 f/4 which doesn't even come with VR and that's about it... Canon's release of the 70-300L also has no real match in the Nikon world. Nikon appear to have a nice selection of lenses at shorter focal lengths but Canon have the significant advantage past around 100mm. At least that is what I've found looking around and it's a big pain when looking to move to the Nikon system. Just a shame you can't use Canon Lenses on Nikon cameras!


The new Nikon f1.8 primes (35mm, 50mm, 85mm and the new 28mm) are all better than the canon counterparts, sometimes substantially, and their resolution is near the theoretical nyquist limits becoming diffraction limited- you just cannot manufacture sharper lenses. Heck, the Nikon 50mm f1.8 G is Nicer than the canon f/1.4 version...


Prices between the systems vary and it is easy o find else's on both systems that are more expensive r lower quality, but look at canons new price model = more expensive than Nikon. I don't see that changing, e.g on canonrumours the new canon 35mm f/1.4 will be much more than the current Nikon.



The Nikon 300 f/4.0 is due to be updated to have VR soon enough.
The Nikon 70-300 VR s just as god as te anon 70-300L, but much cheaper.

And lately, Nikon is coming out with f/4 ese.here is already the 16-35 and 24-120, Nikon have had a 200-400mm f/4.0 since 1983 while anon still has not released theirs. A 70-200 f4 is likely, currently Nikon sels newly made 80-200mm f2.8 lenses at this price point, truly great value lenses. Instead of a 70-200 f4.0 they at make a 50-150mm f2.8
 
I dunno...

I'm currently pricing up a body (D7000 or 7D) and used versions of the 17-55 and 70-200 f/2.8 IS/VR Mk1's. Canon system comes out at around the same price (disregarding I'd probably choose the f/4 over the f/2.8 on the Canon) as the Nikon system because of the lens costs...

The Nikon 17-55 is a pro lens built like a tank, basically the 24-70 for crop. The canon version is better value but not the same type of lens. The Tamron or sigma variants may make mor sense on a Nikon crop. It is another lens that is expected to be updated soon to have VR.
 
I really can't see the 7D having a full frame. It just doesn't make sense for them to do so in my opinion. It would almost definitely cannibalise 5D sales.

If Nikon release a 1200-1500 pound FF D600 then canon will be forced to answer with something like FF 7D at the same price point. The 5Dmkiii is over priced so that should also come down a little.
 
The new Nikon f1.8 primes (35mm, 50mm, 85mm and the new 28mm) are all better than the canon counterparts, sometimes substantially, and their resolution is near the theoretical nyquist limits becoming diffraction limited- you just cannot manufacture sharper lenses. Heck, the Nikon 50mm f1.8 G is Nicer than the canon f/1.4 version...

The reviews I've seen have shown them to be around the same, which makes sense as all the lenses are renowned for being very sharp. As I already pointed out though the random price variation is just odd (why is the 35 f1/8 £150 while the 28 f/1.8 is over £600?).

Prices between the systems vary and it is easy o find else's on both systems that are more expensive r lower quality, but look at canons new price model = more expensive than Nikon. I don't see that changing, e.g on canonrumours the new canon 35mm f/1.4 will be much more than the current Nikon.

Oh I agree, however for me the majority of lenses I have looked at have been more expensive on the Nikon system, except the ones ones Nikon don't have.

Canon do seem to have significantly more "prosumer" lenses, an area Nikon didn't seem to want to compete in, with either the basic lenses or the Professional series, very little in between.

The Nikon 300 f/4.0 is due to be updated to have VR soon enough.
The Nikon 70-300 VR s just as god as te anon 70-300L, but much cheaper.

And lately, Nikon is coming out with f/4 ese.here is already the 16-35 and 24-120, Nikon have had a 200-400mm f/4.0 since 1983 while anon still has not released theirs. A 70-200 f4 is likely, currently Nikon sels newly made 80-200mm f2.8 lenses at this price point, truly great value lenses. Instead of a 70-200 f4.0 they at make a 50-150mm f2.8

Due to be... but I'm buying now (and Canon have had their 300 f/4 IS out for almost 15 years).

The 70-300 VR is as good as the 70-300 f/4-5.6. The 70-300L is the next step up, although like most of the +100mm area they have significantly more choice than Nikon.

For example:

Canon EF 70-200mm f4L USM £500
Canon EF 70-200mm f4L IS USM £900
Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L USM £980
Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8L IS USM II £1800

Canon EF 70-300mm f4-5.6 IS USM £350
Canon EF 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM £1000
Canon EF 75-300mm f4-5.6 III (non USM) £200
Canon EF 75-300mm f4-5.6 USM III £200
Canon EF 70-300mm f4-5.6L IS USM £1150

Nikon have

Nikon AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II £1600
Nikon AF-S VR 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED £1700

Nikon AF-S 70-300mm VR £400

There are obviously gaps in both systems (like Canon not having a 200-400 and Nikon not having an 800 or the mythical 1200) but overall Canon are normally seen as the better option for longer lens choice.

As for the 80-200 f/2.8. I know they were the precursor to the 70-200 f/2.8 they have now, however I can't find it on Nikons site (sure I saw it the other day...) and none of the big stores I just looked at actually sell it. It is also not going to match the £500 of the 70-200 f/4.

The Nikon 17-55 is a pro lens built like a tank, basically the 24-70 for crop. The canon version is better value but not the same type of lens. The Tamron or sigma variants may make mor sense on a Nikon crop. It is another lens that is expected to be updated soon to have VR.

I'd disagree a bit with that, although it's not as well built as the Nikon it is leagues ahead of the third party options in this sector. The point was however that I'm just grumpy because Nikon don't make the lenses I currently rely on with Canon, making any jump significantly harder to justify... :p

(Yes I am taking your advice from the other thread, but will probably end up with the 70-300 f/4.5-5-6 rather than a used 70-200 f/2.8 because the latter is just too big to justify for travelling, whereas the 70-200 f/4 is perfect with a TC.)
 
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Guess I'm glad I made the switch!

But in all seriousness, I am really glad I bit the bullet, rather than keep waiting for Canon to get their act together...

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Btw, Canon are the masters of artificially gimping their camera bodies in order to maintain product differentiation.
 
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All this Canon bashing...it's just a tool for the job

5D3 - Amazing
35L - Amazing
85L - Amazing

All I need. :)







I pretty much ignore everything else these days, I am lucky that i am in a position to fund my kit from my work so I am not really concerned about what replaces the 60D, it is of no consequence to me. What I have been waiting for in the form of the 5D3 has materialised so that's that. Lenses wise I am pretty much covered there as well. They do a good job and even if the Nikon 24-70 is better, so what? I am primarily a prime shooter and already got a sharp copy of a 24-70 so even the Canon's mk2 effort doesn't mean much to me either, nor do the 70-200 variants.

I am past caring about what the other side of the fence are getting up to, more concentrating on what I can do with what I am given. And on that front, it aren't too bad :)
 
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Nice shot's, with the first shot, why would you use your 50mm when you have a 35 & 85, don't you think the focal lengths are a bit close?
Since getting a 35 and 85 setup, my 50 became redundant, as I either want to show context, or get in close.
 
Nice shot's, with the first shot, why would you use your 50mm when you have a 35 & 85, don't you think the focal lengths are a bit close?
Since getting a 35 and 85 setup, my 50 became redundant, as I either want to show context, or get in close.

I forgot why, but at that moment I felt that the 50mm would be the lens to go for. Normally is 35/85 but that "scene" my instinct told me to put the 50mm on.
 
Also, how many lenses do you actually carry on your person?
personally in order to shed weight, I only plan to carry a 20, 35 & 85, carrying a 50 wouldn't be worth the added complication for me personally.
 
Also, how many lenses do you actually carry on your person?
personally in order to shed weight, I only plan to carry a 20, 35 & 85, carrying a 50 wouldn't be worth the added complication for me personally.

I carry all of it to the bride's house, its in my Thinktank case.

At the church I swap to my bag, the 16-35 and 135L in the bag, 35/85 on camera.

At the venue I leave the case in the car, try to park in a parking spot as close to the venue as I can and depending on the venue, i swap lenses/gear (add flashes) as I go along.
 
I see, ideally I don't want to have to carry a bag around so will only be using a lens pouch for my 20 or 14-24 if I can deal with the weight. I see why you said you wouldn't mind an assistant to carry your bag around...
 
I see, ideally I don't want to have to carry a bag around so will only be using a lens pouch for my 20 or 14-24 if I can deal with the weight. I see why you said you wouldn't mind an assistant to carry your bag around...

I wanted a lens pouch for ages, almost ordered one but with 2 bodies, i need other stuff, my bag can hold my triggers too, and spare batteries etc. I like it :)
 
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