PS3s are nowhere near as good compared to the competition as PS2s are apparently.I take it these are the dog's danglies?
Get the Pirelli P7 Cinturatos. That price is excellent.
Conti SC2s are ancient.
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Get the Pirelli P7 Cinturatos. That price is excellent.
Conti SC2s are ancient.
P7 Cinturatos. Big difference.
I was just surprised with the level of grip they offered, along with how long they last. They also did very well recently on a tyre test.
Could be wise on a heavy, 4wd car.
FWIW, I've got F1 Assy 2s on the front of my Z3, and will be putting a set on the rear to replace the knackered PS2s.
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No thanks, not worth 1p more than the Contisport let alone £5. They are PS3's remember..
There does seem to be a bit of a dearth of reviews on the Conti Sport 2s, not sure why. Wet grip is relatively slightly less on the P7 Cinturatos but decent ride comfort and long life may make up for it, especially considering they are nearly 20% cheaper.. which is obviously nice.
Why? Based on that list and the prices there's at least 6 on it that I'd have before even considering the PS3's.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tyre-guides/36695/tyre-test-2011
In this tyre test (yes, i know it's autoexpress), the Pilot Sport 3 comes second. In Evo's 2012 Max Performance Tyre Test it came 4th, after the Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymmetric 2. In Autocar's 2010 test, it came joint 2nd after the Continental Sport Contact 3.
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It's average rating in tyre tests is about 4th, when pitched against class leading tyres, after Goodyear F1A2's, Continental SC3's.
The Continental Sport Contact 2 tyre is two generations old now. If the Michelin PS3 is battling with the CSC3, it's likely to be the same or better than the CSC2.
Seriously? I would be delighted to hear what 6 tyres you would have on that list before a Michelin Pilot Sport 3.
Most of the other stuff on the list are midrange or old. It seems Michelin are one of the only manufacturers to bring out one of their new tyres to that size wheel. All the other manufacturers have either old tyres or midrange ones on offer at that size.
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Yeah, seriously. Most people assume that because it bears the Pilot Sport name that it's of the same calibre at the PS2's, which it's not. It does seem to have reviewed fairly well (that is, assuming unbiased reviews), but it's not exactly trouncing the competition and is pretty much the most expensive tyre in its "range".
6 may have been pushing it admittedly, but I'd be looking at the Vredesteins, Pirelli P7's, SC2's and Uniroyals before the PS3's, from that list.
I just got a 09 Golf GT TSi with 225/40/18 tyres on it, and I need 2 new ones - here is a spattering of the choice on Blackcircles: (Looked at Camskill, and with most of these the saving isn't huge, plus if I get certain tyres I'll get lots'o clubcard points so that would in effect make the saving even smaller)
P Zero Nero - £119.89
P Zero - £121.13
Potenza RE050A - £125.00 - a good shout?
CSC2 - £126.08
P Zero Rosso - £127.50
Eagle F1A2 - £131.34
CSC3 - £137.18 - these were spot on with the Clio (or if manufacturer fits are fine £131.87)
Pilot Sport 2/3 - £131.62/£131.52
Potenza RE050 - £139.52
The car already has 2 nearly new Avon ZZ3s on, and I've read ok things about them so they're staying. Any thoughts on the tyres available above - as I understand it the Nero is quite good, so is it worth the small saving? Should I stick the ZZ3s on the front or the back of the car?
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P Zero Nero - £119.89
P Zero - £121.13
Potenza RE050A - £125.00 - a good shout?
CSC2 - £126.08
P Zero Rosso - £127.50
Eagle F1A2 - £131.34
CSC3 - £137.18 - these were spot on with the Clio (or if manufacturer fits are fine £131.87)
Pilot Sport 2/3 - £131.62/£131.52
Potenza RE050 - £139.52
The car already has 2 nearly new Avon ZZ3s on, and I've read ok things about them so they're staying. Any thoughts on the tyres available above - as I understand it the Nero is quite good, so is it worth the small saving? Should I stick the ZZ3s on the front or the back of the car?
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The PS3 seems to garner similar reviews to the PS2. From the top of my head, it too used to be a top 5 tyre.
It's much better to come 3rd or 4th in a test with F1A2's, CSC5's, CSC3's than 1st in tests involving Bridgestone Turanza's, Continental Premium Contact's etc.
I never said the PS3 trounces the competition, because it doesn't, i've said that it trounces everything else in that list of tyres the OP made.
That's because it's better?
The Vredstein Sportrac 3 is a good midrange tyre. It's never compared to the proper high performance stuff - although it did win in a tyre test against the prestigious "Bridgestone Ecopia EP150", "Nokian V" and "Maloya Lugano" - great success!
Pirelli P7's is a similar story, except it isn't even a good midrange tyre.
CSC2's aren't bad, but i believe they've been around for about 12 years now and came out in a time when tyre testing wasn't even a big thing.
The Uniroyal Rainexpert 2's are decent enough, but when tested against the good stuff, they fall massively behind.
The Pilot Sport 3, in the list of tyres given by the OP, is IMO the best tyre there, by quite a lot. The second best i would say is either the Uniroyal Rainexpert 2 or the CSC2.
I just got a 09 Golf GT TSi with 225/40/18 tyres on it, and I need 2 new ones - here is a spattering of the choice on Blackcircles: (Looked at Camskill, and with most of these the saving isn't huge, plus if I get certain tyres I'll get lots'o clubcard points so that would in effect make the saving even smaller)
P Zero Nero - £119.89
P Zero - £121.13
CSC2 - £126.08
P Zero Rosso - £127.50
Eagle F1A2 - £131.34
CSC3 - £137.18
Pilot Sport 2 - £131.62
Potenza RE050 - £139.52
The car already has 2 nearly new Avon ZZ3s on, and I've read ok things about them so they're staying. Any thoughts on the tyres available above - as I understand it the Nero is quite good, so is it worth the small saving? Should I stick the ZZ3s on the front or the back of the car?
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Look at Lovetyres.com
I know the Goodyear F1A2 is £105 on there in that size. £216 inc del iirc and with fitting at £12 per tyre it should work out at £240 instead of £262 from BlackCircles. If you can be bothered, you should save around £22, which pays for a takeaway or two
I suppose when you put it like that...Look at Lovetyres.com
I know the Goodyear F1A2 is £105 on there in that size. £216 inc del iirc and with fitting at £12 per tyre it should work out at £240 instead of £262 from BlackCircles. If you can be bothered, you should save around £22, which pays for a takeaway or two
Given that I've produced a list of more or less the who's who of performance tyres, anyone else got opinions on what to fit? I'm tempted to go with CSC3's as I was more than happy with them on the Clio and it's a case of better the devil you know
Out of that list i've had the RE050A tyres, the F1A2's and the CSC3's.
The CSC3's and F1A2's are very good tyres in all conditions - i haven't explored the limits of my F1A2's yet but very much remind me of the CSC3's, but maybe a tad sharper. The CSC3's were excellent in all conditions and they gripped very well and gave a good ride. The RE050A's are good in the dry but noticeably fall down in the wet - however the RE050A's trump card is that they give fantastic feedback and feel, due to their stiff sidewalls, which also means they unfortunately give a fairly choppy ride.
The CSC3's and F1A2's are very good tyres in all conditions - i haven't explored the limits of my F1A2's yet but very much remind me of the CSC3's, but maybe a tad sharper. The CSC3's were excellent in all conditions and they gripped very well and gave a good ride. The RE050A's are good in the dry but noticeably fall down in the wet - however the RE050A's trump card is that they give fantastic feedback and feel, due to their stiff sidewalls, which also means they unfortunately give a fairly choppy ride.
Is that what you're basing this on? Shows why you need to drive on tyres rather than read reviews.
PS3 isn't even close to the awesome PS2's, not by any stretch, that's why it's so misleading. If you went from PS2's to PS3's on the same car, you'd notice a big difference. PS3's are, IMO, more like the original Pilot Sports i.e. not as good as the price suggests they should be.
PS2 was pretty much up there as the best all round tyre for road use in it's time. Michelin Super Sports are the latest incarnation but I've had no need to try them yet.
Notice i was very careful not to say that the PS3 was as good as the PS2 - because i have driven on neither. I said they garnered similar reviews. Although i never saw anything suggesting that the PS2 was some monster tyre that destroyed ever other tyre in existence, like you seem to be implying it is. I remember it, in reviews, always being behind the Goodyear or Continental offerings.
Again, i don't remember this being the case. Anything to back it up? I remember PS2's having a good wear rate, delivering good levels of grip, but costing like 25% more than other top line tyres.
No, not really, just from using most of the premium performance tyres over the past 10 years or so. Most were on E46 M3's so gave a decent base to compare as I did a lot of time on track, where there were lap times to compare in all weather conditions. If you look at reviews from actual users of performance cars over the years, the PS2 is always up there except, contrary to your post, for wear rates from what I recall, although I always found them to wear well. I prefer these reviews to magazine type "shoot-outs".
In respect to the OP, I've used a few different tyres on my race car in either 225/45/16 or 205/50/16 sizes for trackdays, so as not to go through loads of racing tyres. I can say without a word of a lie that the PS3's were the "worst" road tyres I've had on it this year so far. The "best" was Goodyear GSD3's, best wet lap time and strong in the dry too. Both GSD3's and PS3's were in 205/50/16 all round.
Other people may have different views but that was my experience.
I have CSC2s on my Golf, paid £65 fitted per tyre in April. That was the price Blackcircles had for delivery only at the time but a place local matched that price including fitting too.
Been very impressed with the tyres, though was comparing to Hankook Ventus Prime previously on the car - vast amounts more grip now, especially so in the wet. I can pull away sharply now in the rain where the old Hankooks would struggle to manage the power in the dry without the TC light attempting to induce a seizure. In terms of ride comfort, they've not made the car noticeably better or worse, noise level isn't excessive. Wear rate I don't really do enough miles to comment on yet, they've probably only worn about 1mm so far
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