Poll: BOTW Weekly Results Round C - Colour

[kaptainmarc]

Shocked that people thought they could get away with Blue Moon and be unique, step up your game!

Black Eyed King Imp is bloody evil. Kudos to Bickaxe for downing that.

it was the only colour one i had over the break!

brewdogs just as bad surprised that was unique!

 

[~Mike~]

There is a reason I dropped the 'Scrabble round'

I remember the scrabble round.

See you're having fun this time as well.

 

[Bickaxe]

So, does this mean that any beer in any language other than English should be disallowed from every round then?

How silly do you think it would get?
I could enter a beer with an Arabic label. I might know it says 'Export' but DJ has to translate it to see if I'm telling the truth (even though I have no reason to lie, but some people take things too seriously)

Maybe only certain languages could be allowed. Up to DJ really, he has to do the work.

 

[touch]

Isn't golden more an adjective than a colour?

The color is gold. The word "golden" contains the word "gold".

Similarly, there is no such colour as Bluebird but the word "Bluebird" contains the word "Blue".

 

[the_r_sole]

The color is gold. The word "golden" contains the word "gold".

Similarly, there is no such colour as Bluebird but the word "Bluebird" contains the word "Blue".

surely gold is just saying something is like the metal - gold? is it actually a colour?
If blonde is not a colour because it is referring to hair, I don't see how gold is a colour for referring to a metal? Surely if it's only base colours, yellow would be the only thing acceptable in that area of colours?

 

[Gilly]

I think DJ's decisions have been spot on so far. Noir and Blonde were always pushing boundaries and I think they come down on the wrong side.

Golden is a bit less straightforward IMO, but I can understand the decision. I wonder what the decision would've been for Copper Dragon.

 

[Russinating]

surely gold is just saying something is like the metal - gold? is it actually a colour?
If blonde is not a colour because it is referring to hair, I don't see how gold is a colour for referring to a metal? Surely if it's only base colours, yellow would be the only thing acceptable in that area of colours?

Gold is 100% a colour, c'mon. You could buy a gold PlayStation controller or be given a gold star but neither are going to be made of gold. You can't buy a blonde car or a blonde anything, other than a wig and a beer (sounds like a good night).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_(color) (also golden)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blonde_(disambiguation)

^^ There is no blonde (color), but second to hair colour is a type of beer which is why it shouldn't be allowed.

Think DJ has got decisions spot on, and I'm not just saying that because I entered gold... maybe .

 

[Anchundan]

Agreed, DJ rocks!

Edit: Please update the leader board, please update the leader board, please update the leaderboard!!

 

[the_r_sole]

Gold is 100% a colour, c'mon. You could buy a gold PlayStation controller or be given a gold star but neither are going to be made of gold. You can't buy a blonde car or a blonde anything, other than a wig and a beer (sounds like a good night).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_(color) (also golden)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blonde_(disambiguation)

^^ There is no blonde (color), but second to hair colour is a type of beer which is why it shouldn't be allowed.

Think DJ has got decisions spot on, and I'm not just saying that because I entered gold... maybe .

The first recorded use of golden as a color name in English was in 1300 to refer to the element gold and in 1423 to refer to blond hair.[1]

All I'm saying is that in this context I think if Gold is acceptable then blonde should be too - I have no horse in this race, but both are variations on yellow, so if it's standard colours neither count and if you are letting shades, both do

 

[touch]

All I'm saying is that in this context I think if Gold is acceptable then blonde should be too - I have no horse in this race, but both are variations on yellow, so if it's standard colours neither count and if you are letting shades, both do

Your quote doesnt back up your statement?
Yes, you can describe a hair colour as golden: "She has golden hair"
But you cant reverse that and use blonde to describe a colour: "I won a blonde medal"

 

[the_r_sole]

Your quote doesnt back up your statement?
Yes, you can describe a hair colour as golden: "She has golden hair"
But you cant reverse that and use blonde to describe a colour: "I won a blonde medal"

the quote was from the linked wiki article which indicates that if you are describing the colour of something yellow, you could use gold or blonde, they are both describing yellow. So yellow is the colour they are descriptive of - therefore, if gold is acceptable as a colour in this competition, so should blonde imo (or neither are acceptable)

 

[touch]

the quote was from the linked wiki article which indicates that if you are describing the colour of something yellow, you could use gold or blonde, they are both describing yellow. So yellow is the colour they are descriptive of - therefore, if gold is acceptable as a colour in this competition, so should blonde imo (or neither are acceptable)

I know where the quote came from, I just think it says something different to what you think it says.
Gold can be used to describe yellow hair because it is a colour and (roughly speaking) it can be used to describe anything else which is yellow.
Blonde is a specific term used only for hair (or beer). It can be used the same way as gold in this one specific case because it is describing hair but doesnt work in any other:

gold pen, yellow pen, blonde pen
gold star, yellow star, blonde star
gold car, yellow car, blonde car
gold shirt, yellow shirt, blonde shirt

etc, etc, etc

 

[the_r_sole]

I know where the quote came from, I just think it says something different to what you think it says.
Gold can be used to describe yellow hair because it is a colour and (roughly speaking) it can be used to describe anything else which is yellow.
Blonde is a specific term used only for hair (or beer). It can be used the same way as gold in this one specific case because it is describing hair but doesnt work in any other:

gold pen, yellow pen, blonde pen
gold star, yellow star, blonde star
gold car, yellow car, blonde car
gold shirt, yellow shirt, blonde shirt

etc, etc, etc

exactly so yellow is the colour

saying something is gold is describing it as the colour yellow
saying something is blonde is describing it as the colour yellow also

why does it matter that blonde only has a couple of common uses? it's still used to describe yellow

Etymology, spelling, and grammar

Detail of a portrait of Crown Prince of Poland, Sigismund Casimir Vasa (c. 1644), with characteristic blond hair which darkened with time as confirmed by his later effigies.
The word "blond" is first attested in English in 1481[1] and derives from Old French blund, blont meaning "a colour midway between golden and light chestnut".[2] It gradually eclipsed the native term "fair", of same meaning, from Old English fæġer, causing "fair" later to become a general term for "light complexioned". This earlier use of "fair" survives in the proper name Fairfax, from Old English fæġer-feahs meaning "blond hair".

The French (and thus also the English) word "blond" has two possible origins. Some linguists[citation needed] say it comes from Medieval Latin blundus, meaning "yellow", from Old Frankish blund which would relate it to Old English blonden-feax meaning "grey-haired", from blondan/blandan meaning "to mix" (Cf. blend). Also, Old English beblonden meant "dyed" as ancient Germanic warriors were noted for dying their hair. However, linguists who favor a Latin origin for the word say that Medieval Latin blundus was a vulgar pronunciation of Latin flavus, also meaning yellow. Most authorities, especially French, attest the Frankish origin. The word was reintroduced into English in the 17th century from French, and was for some time considered French; in French, "blonde" is a feminine adjective; it describes a woman with blond hair.[3]


Emperor Pedro II of Brazil with blond hair, c. 1846
"Blond", with its continued gender-varied usage, is one of few adjectives in written English to retain separate masculine and feminine grammatical genders. Each of the two forms, however, is pronounced identically. American Heritage's Book of English Usage propounds that, insofar as "a blonde" can be used to describe a woman but not a man who is merely said to possess blond(e) hair, the term is an example of a "sexist stereotype [whereby] women are primarily defined by their physical characteristics."[4] The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) records that the phrase "big blond beast" was used in the 20th century to refer specifically to men "of the Nordic type" (that is to say, blond-haired).[5] The OED also records that blond as an adjective is especially used with reference to women, in which case it is likely to be spelt "blonde", citing three Victorian usages of the term. The masculine version is used to describe a plural, in "blonds of the European race",[5] in a citation from 1833 Penny cyclopedia, which distinguishes genuine blondness as a Caucasian feature distinct from albinism.[6]

By the early 1990s, "blonde moment" or being a "dumb blonde" had come into common parlance to mean "an instance of a person, esp. a woman... being foolish or scatter-brained."[7] Another hair color word of French origin, brunet(te) (from the same Germanic root that gave "brown"), also functions in the same way in orthodox English. The OED gives "brunet" as meaning "dark-complexioned" or a "dark-complexioned person", citing a comparative usage of brunet and blond to Thomas Henry Huxley in saying, "The present contrast of blonds and brunets existed among them".[8] "Brunette" can be used, however, like "blonde", to describe a mixed-gender populace. The OED quotes Grant Allen, "The nation which resulted... being sometimes blonde, sometimes brunette."[9]

"Blond" and "blonde" are also occasionally used to refer to objects that have a color reminiscent of fair hair. Examples include pale wood and lager beer. For example, the OED records its use in 19th century poetic diction to describe flowers, "a variety of clay ironstone of the coal measures", "the colour of raw silk",[5] and a breed of ray.[10]

 

[R-evans]

Can we just do a poll?

Blonde OK
Gold OK
Both OK
Neither OK

 

[Maccy]

Or just accept the decision and move on?

 

[DirtyJester]

I will create a poll later. As already stated, it will only be for the Blonde and Noir.

This poll will be open to all of GD.

 

[Maccapacca]

This poll will be open to all of GD.

Don't forget the pancake option

 

[DirtyJester]

Poll created, BUT it's multiple voting so you can select both. Remember to select both answers before clicking VOTE!!!

 

[Gilly]

Please note that should either be voted for wrongly (as in, the poll says they're ok) this is without prejudice and sets no precedent

 

[the_r_sole]

Haha, I voted the wrong way, what a fanny!
I would say no to blond but on the condition that gold is also marked invalid or yes to blond if gold is valid