Bouncing weight on benchpress

Jeffstar said:
If benching to your chest causes you problems then try using dumbells ;)
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an exercise which is even more likely to stretch your shoulders beyond the 'optimal' point in the down phase of the press, due to not having the restriction of a bar against your chest.
oh, and its more likely to bring the shoulders into play for stabilisation compared to a bar.
 
Morba said:
a side on fist is about 2 flat hands for me! what i read must have been a different interpretation of Paul Chek's work :]
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Yeah I'm same, I can go lower than the example shown in that pic without feeling any stress in my shoulder.
 
Chong Warrior said:
Why fans? I'd call it 3 experienced lifters all agreeing on the same thing.

I'm sure there are more people in here experince discomfort when benching heavy.
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You guys do it your way, makes no difference to me. I still recommend not cheating yourself on benchpress though :)
 
and that isn't trying to win a tit-for-tat arguement, that isn't my thing. I'm genuinely interested in learning about my hobby and training optimally, I'd like to know if I'm missing out ;)
 
Chong Warrior said:
I've explained why I recommend bench press is performed the why I do it... you haven't.

Can you?
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If you get shoulder pain when benching, the exercise is probably not for you, there's plenty of alternatives :)
 
Jeffstar said:
You guys do it your way, makes no difference to me. I still recommend not cheating yourself on benchpress though :)
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cheating in what way?
how on earth is targetting the chest for the maximum amount of time in a rep cheating yourself?
why have excessive use of the shoulders and the tris if there is no need (after all, they get worked on their own exercises)?
 
Jeffstar said:
If you get shoulder pain when benching, the exercise is probably not for you, there's plenty of alternatives :)
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you should read more, CW doesnt generally do flat bench ;]
im sure he will tell you that himself though!
 
Jeffstar said:
If you get shoulder pain when benching, the exercise is probably not for you, there's plenty of alternatives :)
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I'm aware of that thank-you ;) I don't get shoulder pain when benching, only when I go very heavy, say my 5 rep maximum. Any less and I'm fine going to the chest, I've been doing that for years, it's only since last year I started stopping just short.

Still doesn't explain why you think going all the way to the chest is more productive/ optimal though does it? :p
 
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Morba said:
you should read more, CW doesnt generally do flat bench ;]
im sure he will tell you that himself though!
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Then he's obviously listening to his body :)

I'd never do an exercise that gave me unnatural pain.
 
Jeffstar said:
If you get shoulder pain when benching, the exercise is probably not for you, there's plenty of alternatives :)
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Personally I don't get shoulder pain whilst benching. But the best way to stop yourself getting bad shoulders, or the shoulders hurting anymore is to make sure you're performing a movement to your own bodies range, and if that's 1 or 2" off the chest then so be it? In terms of bodybuilding it would in fact keep the muscle under tension for a longer period of time. If you get into powerlifting or competition lifts then yes it's not a valid lift, but it's in no way cheating.

And of course if no matter what, the movement still gives you pain then switching to something else is great.
 
Jeffstar said:
Then he's obviously listening to his body :)

I'd never do an exercise that gave me unnatural pain.
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do any exercise wrong and it could cause pain, does that mean that you wont do any exercise at all?
 
I read that if you put your hands in the bench position and walk into a wall, you notice how your fist stops your body hitting the wall, which is supposed to show that anything beyond that is just stretch, ie. not good for the shoulders
 
Chong Warrior said:
Still doesn't explain why you think going all the way to the chest is more productive/ optimal though does it? :p
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Whenever i see anyone not going all the way down, i always think that they're trying to lift too much weight. I'd always recommend full ROM to get the most out of the any exercise. If full ROM isn't possible, find an alternative, simple as :)
 
Ive always stopped about an inch off my chest cant say i have ever seen anyone bounce the bar off there chest before abit pointless really :o.
 
Jeffstar said:
If full ROM isn't possible, find an alternative, simple as :)
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but that is full ROM for a lot of people.

why do you advise otherwise, can you give any specific physiological reasoning as to why you should over extend the shoulder?

im guessing that because i only go parallel with squats as opposed to A2G, i should not do squats?
 
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