Bow Hunters
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What kind of mental deficiency must you have to want to kill an elephant, not exactly know for its fine quality meat or danger to mankind, with a frigging bow and arrow ? lol
Last time i checked it was the 21st century. I can just about understand the inbred/caveman gene stirring in some people to make them shoot deer, but an elephant......
Its not survival is it, its not on fair terms, its not even skilled, its just a murder ! :O
Last time i checked it was the 21st century. I can just about understand the inbred/caveman gene stirring in some people to make them shoot deer, but an elephant......
Its not survival is it, its not on fair terms, its not even skilled, its just a murder ! :O
Cheaper, better quality meat. Wilderness training and much more.
As I said why she waited for the elephant to die naturally I have no idea. But some bows are high powered and there is nothing wrong with hunting with them, or any other weapon.technology or not it is natural for us and other animals to hunt. Such a shame people have no idea where meat comes from. I think if you can't kill then you shouldn't eat meat.
humm last time I checked we don't have any wild elephants in the UK.
Murder Ha-Ha comical. Murder is human to human. Nothing else can be described as murder.
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Legal or not, i take my hand crafted Elven bow out on weekends to my local forest and manage to kill all sorts of things. I suggest some of you give it a go cause its loads of fun.
I also dress up as a Elven Archer when i can be bothered! as its a lot of gear.
I also dress up as a Elven Archer when i can be bothered! as its a lot of gear.
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Where can one buy rifles that guarantee headshots and clean quick kills?
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Gee, thanks for pointing out the sarcasm, it really makes you seem like an intelligent chap.
Of course a rifle doesn't guarantee a headshot, but general ethical guidelines state that
a) You don't shoot animals until you can hit them in the head (practice on a range or a HFT course)
b) You don't take the shot unless you are as sure as you can be that you'll kill it with a single shot
c) Hitting an animal in the head with a rifle of sufficient calibre will kill it in milliseconds.
Hunting should be about minimising the amount of pain that an animal goes through - this cannot be achieved by bow hunting.
Then I hope you take that and buy meat from a known source that is free range and well looked after. Months or years of pain is much much worse than a few minutes it takes to kill with other hunting,. How about traps for rabbits or rodents.
Exactly the same can be said about composite bows. They are more than powerful to kill outright, exactly the same as a rifle.
I'm not the one making out that using a rifle is ok in comparison to a bow because it's all about the headshot and quick, clean kill. News for you, it's the same whether you use a bow or a rifle.
Indeed, sounds like somebody is just trying to justify their bloodlust to me.
Hunting without the need for culling is just bloodlust, pure and simple, justify it anyway you like but that's all it is and you can argue about how humane it might be but as pointed out by AcidHell2 the exact same thing can be said for using bows.
A composite bow does NOT kill instantly - that is the crux of the problem. When bow hunting, you aim for the body of the animal, generally a "good" shot is one which pierces a vital organ and kills the animal more quickly (note: more quickly - a heart shot might be instant death, but 95% of shots won't kill the animal instantly). Compare that to rifle hunting, where you aim for the brain, killing the animal instantly on impact.
And bow and rifle being the same? No, they certainly aren't. Would you rather be shot in the head with a rifle, or have your lung punctured by an arrow and left to bleed to death?
Trapping a rodent is generally a necessary evil - I personally shoot rats and pigeons on the farm rather than poisoning or trapping them.
Incidentally (not that it has anything to do with this), but I source all my meat, poultry and game from local sources that have welfare standards (i.e. free range organic chicken), the beef we use is from my wife's uncles farm in the borders and he has extremely high welfare standards.
And bow and rifle being the same? No, they certainly aren't. Would you rather be shot in the head with a rifle, or have your lung punctured by an arrow and left to bleed to death?
Trapping a rodent is generally a necessary evil - I personally shoot rats and pigeons on the farm rather than poisoning or trapping them.
Incidentally (not that it has anything to do with this), but I source all my meat, poultry and game from local sources that have welfare standards (i.e. free range organic chicken), the beef we use is from my wife's uncles farm in the borders and he has extremely high welfare standards.
a) You should never go for the headshot when hunting.
b) How often do you go hunting with an RPG? Only way to guarantee it.
c) or - you could just blow it's jaw off... The skull of a lot of hunted animals is one of the strongest bones in the body.
Normally a shot to the shoulder/lungs/heart area is best. Best chance of hitting a vital organ. Hit the shoulder - it generally can't move and you can get close to provide a killing shot. Hit the lungs - it won't get far and die quickly. Hit the heart - it's not going far at all, and you're also likely to hit the lungs.
Heads are small targets and also move an awful lot more than the rest of the animal.
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Unless things have changed significantly in the last few years head shots are to be avoided while hunting (yes with rifles) at which point your arguments are pointless.
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Hunting with a full bore rifle, for deer culling etc, is generally done with a body shot, the imparted energy of a full bore bullet will kill a deer outright and instantly with a trunk shot at 400 metres, I think the poster who suggested a head shot was talking more about small game and pest control with an air rifle when a head shot is imperative because of the low energy but relatively high penetrative qualities, it's also carried out at much shorter ranges, typically at below 40 metres whereupon, with modern "pre charged" air weapons you can choose not so much, to shoot in the head but exactly what part of the head making for the cleanest kills.
Bow hunting has two disadvantages, firstly it imparts a penetrative missile with relatively low energy, but secondly it doesn't have the accuracy of a rifle (or air rifle), meaning that you are forced to take chest shots that do not have a sudden organ damaging shock value, this leaves you with the heart as the only possible way of achieving a clean kill, given the accuracy this is not practical every time and a high proportion are "tracked" kills, ie a wound to vital organs where the animal has to be followed until it expires.
British law sees this as unnecessary suffering, and I'm inclined to agree.
Shooting for "sport" as opposed to pest control / culling is, though traditional, a fairly morally redundant hobby, though if people can achieve a level of ability whereupon they can take rabbits for the pot cleanly...every time, then that's got to be better than some poor batteried chicken.
Bow hunting has two disadvantages, firstly it imparts a penetrative missile with relatively low energy, but secondly it doesn't have the accuracy of a rifle (or air rifle), meaning that you are forced to take chest shots that do not have a sudden organ damaging shock value, this leaves you with the heart as the only possible way of achieving a clean kill, given the accuracy this is not practical every time and a high proportion are "tracked" kills, ie a wound to vital organs where the animal has to be followed until it expires.
British law sees this as unnecessary suffering, and I'm inclined to agree.
Shooting for "sport" as opposed to pest control / culling is, though traditional, a fairly morally redundant hobby, though if people can achieve a level of ability whereupon they can take rabbits for the pot cleanly...every time, then that's got to be better than some poor batteried chicken.
You do not appear very well informed.
Having shot rifles and bows at relativly high levels, I can assue you that both are equally capable of effectivly killing. Both require differing levels of skill, and it is certainly the case that archery is extreamly difficult to master at a level where you can ethically decide to take a shot.
Anyone can hit a kill zone of a deer out to 90m (with practice), but faced with potentially missng whilst shooting from a tree stand at a live target, few will take the same shot further out than 30m. Likewise, the effective range of a 7.62 is far greater that the range I would be prepared to take a deer.
It is the person, not their chosen method that is key. I suggest you investigate archery further, and perhaps try or obsever before reaching you conclusions.
Unfortunatly, it will be a trip abroad.
Where do you think you are western Colorado?
So all elephants die with arrows sticking out of them?
What game do you think your going to meet up with in the UK?
maybe a 6point deer? maybe a Black Bear? or it could be a Bison?
nope its a little rabbit..well ok its a BIG 6in tall rabbit. If most of you come in sight of a 7ft tall Grizzly you would cry MOMMY..
Me MAN me CATCH rabbit..MAKE FIRE..Burn Down House..
Why does it matter where one is.
you trying to say all elephants die of exactly the same reason. what are you on about and what is teh point?
deer is the biggest thing in the UK.
certainly not but that is what the public has been brainwashed with.
Got far more respect for hunters than I have for 90+% of the population who get meat in a shrink wrapped package.
Why does it matter where one is.
what are you on about and what is teh point?
deer is the biggest thing in the UK.
certainly not but that is what the public has been brainwashed with.
Got far more respect for hunters than I have for 90+% of the population who get meat in a shrink wrapped package.
You can't call it hunting in the UK there are RDs people with in 1 mile of any where and you can call anyone for help on your mobile.
If your going to be a Hunter go to Canada or Montana or western Colorado
no one for miles, mobile phones don't work and your on your own
if a Bear gets you and you are not good enough your dead. Now thats hunting.
