Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19

iirc that was due to fuel saving wasn't it?

No that was just team orders being given propperly. But in all fairness I don't think Jenson would have got past Hamilton. I see we're back to Button bashing again... oh how I would hate to have the majority of people on here as a friend, you'd all turn on me in a heartbeat and be 2 faced. It's clear to me that he just can't get the car to work for him, there's nothing wrong with his driving, as you saw from his onboard lap he didn't make any mistakes.
Fantasic laps there from Hulkenberg looking forward to the race in a few hours, and iirc usually the williams is half decent off the line, so there's a chance he'll hold P1 for at least some of the first lap. I'd love him to hold it till the pit stops, where there's no doubt the red bull (which ever one ends up second) will put in some stunning laps.
 
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No that was just team orders being given propperly. But in all fairness I don't think Jenson would have got past Hamilton. I see we're back to Button bashing again... oh how I would hate to have the majority of people on here as a friend, you'd all turn on me in a heartbeat and be 2 faced. It's clear to me that he just can't get the car to work for him, there's nothing wrong with his driving, as you saw from his onboard lap he didn't make any mistakes.
Fantasic laps there from Hulkenberg looking forward to the race in a few hours, and iirc usually the williams is half decent off the line, so there's a chance he'll hold P1 for at least some of the first lap. I'd love him to hold it till the pit stops, where there's no doubt the red bull (which ever one ends up second) will put in some stunning laps.

He didn't make mistakes, but he also didn't push the car, despite going on about being fairly free to finally push hard because he's got nothing to lose.

Thats his biggest weakness, he's scared to really push, for fear of failing, thats what makes him a big bag of girlie parts. The thing he didn't do in quali, was break late into corners, break hard and risk it all, almost everyone else on the grid did do that. There isn't a driver on that grid that can't drive safely within the limits of the car and put in a perfect and completely safe lap, pushing to the very limit to get ahead, is something he's never done, and never will do.

But thats the thing, the fact he admitted due to his current situation he can push harder than usual, really just absolutely confirms the fact that normally, he doesn't. Do you think Alonso or Hamilton would, almost 50 points off in this race say they might push right to the limit as theres nothing to lose now, not on your life, there isn't a chance in hell as they do that every race already.

As for the fuel saving incident, after both drivers were told to slow down to save fuel, something almost every driver on the grid and every team has done at stages in almost every single race, he managed to get past him, and Hamilton within one straight, got him back, from not trying to straight back in front, sorry but thats how weak Button is, again, if he was "pushing" at the same level Hamilton/Alonso did, Hamilton would never have had a chance in a million years of taking back that position in that corner, he wimped out, again. Last year he finally had a car that going around perfectly safe without pushing, was so far ahead of everyone else he didn't need to, when the cars were closer and he was required to push, he got less points than Hamilton in the 5th best car that year, at best.

I've said before, a race with 24 buttons would be worse than a race with any other 24 identical drivers, they'd all finish, do the same lap time, make no mistakes and never once push the limits. He's the single dullest driver out there. To be fair I don't think any of the top 5 would be the best there, I think 24 Sutils in a wet race, with damaged brakes would be AWESOME. :p

I mean Button didn't even have any slides in that final lap thats how weak it was, Hamilton, Webber, Vettel, Hulkenberg were all over the ruddy road, sliding around corners, adjusting a slight oversteer or slide in a corner.

I think the single worst thing you can say about Button is, if I had to choose one of the 24 to drive my kids to school one morning, it would be Button.
 
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if hulk gets away and is still leading by the first corner i think he mite just hold them up enough to allow hamilton and alonso to have a go at the red bulls.

i still think webber will hit vettel trying to overtake him at the first corner, take no prisoners now for webber, if he wants to be champ he will have to get past vettel on his own.
 
Which is as good as an excuse for coming 11th as he'll ever get. Glad he wasn't hurt.

Attacked on the way back from the circuit, on the way TO the circuit I could understand being shaken up.

Ruddy weird though, South America and kidnap and ransom stuff is big business/problems though, wonder if that was these peoples intention, or some psycho fans trying to help Massa up a place.
 
if hulk gets away and is still leading by the first corner i think he mite just hold them up enough to allow hamilton and alonso to have a go at the red bulls.

i still think webber will hit vettel trying to overtake him at the first corner, take no prisoners now for webber, if he wants to be champ he will have to get past vettel on his own.

lol, that was my first thought, that holding up the Red Bulls pushes them into Hamilton who can overtake pretty much anyone, then again the last time he got very close to both Red Bulls went VERY badly :p

I don't think realistically there was any situation in which Hamilton could have done any better than he did, though he's great in changing conditions the track was just dry enough to push hard and the Red Bulls and their downforce negate his potentially better wet weather driving. BUt someone infront of the Red Bulls could be exactly what Hamilton needed. I think considering the championship going into this race, this was about the best grid we could have got to take the title to the last race and also close up the top 4 to make the last race pretty fantastic.
 
Attacked on the way back from the circuit, on the way TO the circuit I could understand being shaken up.

Ruddy weird though, South America and kidnap and ransom stuff is big business/problems though, wonder if that was these peoples intention, or some psycho fans trying to help Massa up a place.

i think it was just fluke that it happened to be button, they see a fancy car coming out of the track, its a racer or some vip. both = moolah.
 
iirc that was due to fuel saving wasn't it?

Dude, do not believe everything you hear Martin Whitmarsh (and his cohorts say).

Button is an intelligent man. Do you honestly believe that he wasn't keeping an eye on his fuel situation? Button knew he was doing fine on fuel, however, the team-order (code) had been issued. Hamilton understood and even confirmed this with his radio man. The radio man confirmed that Button was not going to attempt an overtake if Hamilton slowed down.

Unfortunately, Button (for whatever reason), didnt get the message and tried to overtake Hamilton when Hamilton slowed down. Button proceeded to overtake Hamilton (who was now going slower and had already been told that Button would not attempt an overtake). Hamilton then aggressively re-took the place and started using more fuel. He then opened up a very large gap within 1-2 laps, after which he began to cruise. During this time, Button had also been re-issued the "save fuel" message (code for slow down, hold your position and don't overtake).

Now, ask yourself 2 questions:
1. Button is probably one of the most intelligent drivers on the track. He doesnt have the brute speed of Hamilton, but what he lacks in this area, he makes up by having the ability to think about other things, while driving fast. Do you honestly believe that Button would not know his fuel situation and would run the risk of running out of fuel?
2. If Hamilton (and Button) were both ordered to genuinely save fuel, why is it that Hamilton (after being overtaken by Button), was able to turn up his fuel settings again and driver super aggressively for 1-2 laps, and in the process overtake and open up a gap on Button, without running out of fuel? Surely, if Hamilton was at risk of running out of fuel, his radio man would've repeated the message that, "Hamilton if you don't change your fuel setting now, you WILL run out of fuel".

It is pretty obvious that McLaren are using the "save fuel" message, as code for "hold station, don't overtake each-other and maintain your gaps to the rest of the field".

The problem is that team orders are illegal, which means that a team can never come out and say that we asked our drivers to slow down or hold station. They can never admit this, regardless of how obvious it looks. It is up to the viewing public to read between the lines.

Furthermore, Hamilton was again being given preferential treatment a few races ago, when McLaren were delaying Button's pit stop in order to allow him to back up the RBR cars, into the chasing Hamilton. Notice that the moment Hamilton's car broke down, McLaren immediately called Button in, as they knew that Hamilton stood no chance of catching the RBR cars with a broken car.

For me, the team orders which McLaren issued were 100% correct. It just sucks that they can't be honest about, due to the legalities and potential punishments which may be handed out were they to be honest about it all. I really do hope that team-orders are permitted again, as it makes things a lot more transparent for the F1 public.
 
Attacked on the way back from the circuit,

"had just finished practice"

It's not very clear whether it happened before or after qualifying, seems odd he would go home between practice and qualifying but equally odd that they'd call qualifying practice if that's when it was... :/
 
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