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Again, which Brexiter in power has said the NHS will not get any more money than it currently does?
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Again, which Brexiter in power has said the NHS will not get any more money than it currently does?
Soldato
That was true of the EU too.
You seem to have missed my response to you
Yes, the word being 'was'. The EU is already vying for tighter integration, even pushing to remove the ability of countries to legally leave under EU law.
The UK's veto power will only last for so long, the EU is already pushing to remove countries ability to Veto legislation by instigating majority rule on all matters. They are already doing it in regards to trade deals and will no doubt extend it in the future.
I'm far from an expert on law, I had assumed they'd change over time utilising individual case law and precedent rather than a whole re-write of our laws.
I only said was as we've decided to leave the EU, meaning it will have the same or less power in future.
Are we agreed that you made a mistake in your response to my post showing a desire for a judicial review? We can move on then
unless you'd have a problem with both sides being reviewed? If that's the case, what is the problem with it?Clearly the latter.
We know that both sides outright lied in the referendum campaign. They did so because they knew they had complete impunity. Frankly, it's expected.
This is why I laugh when we rank high on anti-corruption measures. How is a political class that will lie to the electorate blatantly and routinely, anything other than corrupt?
Of course it's not OK. But what can you or I do about it? We aren't offered a choice between liers and honest politicians. They will all lie when it suits them. They will all break their manifestos and pledges as soon as they find it favourable.
None of them will ever deliver what they promise, so we keep voting in the other guys, who do exactly the same thing. What choice is that?
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No, the EU was ***-about-face. In the UK system the directly elected officials (HoC) propose, draft and bring forward new legislation, with the appointed ones (HoL) getting to check, correct or reject it.
The EU has appointed officials (Council) propose, draft and bring forward new legislation, with the elected ones (MEPs) getting to check, correct or reject it.
The former is much closer to direct democracy than the latter.
The poster doesn't say 'let's give the NHS a bit more money', it makes a very specific claim which the Leave talking heads are now distancing themselves from by saying they weren't standing for election, and die-hard Leavers are distancing the campaign from by pretending "let's" means "we could do this, maybe, not sure but I guess it's possible".
Soldato
And i think you need to read up what the Parliament act is.
Ok you're chosing to be obtuse about it. No point us carrying on is there.
Soldato
It would have to be. Otherwise they'd have to bypass parliament in order to Process,repeal,re-enact/re-affirm the vast swathes of ex-EU laws.
Lawyers will be happy though
Nate
So sad :|
Commissario
Because:
Boris wanted Cameron out of the PM's job so he could get in - now he's realised that even if he can persuade the rest of the Tories that he's possibly going to be a good leader his career is going to be dead whatever he does (he'll either go down as the PM who refused to take us out, or as the one who did).
Farage - his career as an EU politician is dead (no more milking it for every penny as a "protest"), and he's probably going to find it hard to get voted into parliament here.
Gove - pretty much the same as boris, except that Gove was far less popular with the public than boris ever was.
I don't think most of the Leave politicians were really doing the campaigning in the expectation that they'd succeed, but for career reasons, they've not got any plan for how to proceed now and are having to admit that a lot of what they built their case on isn't going to be possible or were outright lies.
In some ways Cameron resigning and not issuing the official notice but leaving it to the next PM is possibly the smartest move he's ever made as a politician. It theoretically buys some time and ensures that the members of his party who were working on forcing him out/vying for his job by playing silly political games with one of the most important matters facing the country are not going to get the juicy reward they were hoping for.
An academic from Liverpool University said the process would likely take upwards of 10 years. He said it would keep him and his colleagues in work for a long, long time.
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Yes, I think the politicians will want to let some time pass and tempers cool before carrying on as usual under some pretext. Someone mentioned that Farage had been excluded from the team for Article 50 negotiations so that would seem to point to a kick it into the long grass and wait position.
Caporegime
I think the Leave campaign's promise to plough £350 million per week into the NHS is going to hurt them badly. Add the fallout from their lie about immigration coming down, and they'll be in a world of pain very soon.
Are you kidding? That's enough to buy five Cornwalls and a slice of Blackmoor.
Are you kidding? That's enough to buy five Cornwalls and a slice of Blackmoor.
Lawyers will be happy though
Nate
As is often the case, there's only one real winner
.To be honest I think I prefer the EU system, where the elected get to actually decide on things, rather than the UK system where the ultimate decision rests in the hands of the 'unelected elite' and all the elected officials can do is keep redrafting things until the unelected are happy with it.
Caporegime
The Leave campaign: providing work for thousands of unelected officials for at least 10 decades to come...
Soldato
Read up on what the Parliaments act is, the house of lords has far less power than people think.
Soldato
Last year Ford and GM was running out of V8 engines for their trucks in the USA. No harm in taking a look at it.
We must explore every avenue we can now. It's there for the taking.
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