It'll never be cheap, Intel -E versions are always the top tier enthusiast stuff and even second hand they never really become cheap. If they want/need to fight with Zen on price then I imagine they'll use their mainstream line of CPU's for that.
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Broadwell-E Core i7-6950X Flagship Processor To Rock 10 Cores
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It'll never be cheap, Intel -E versions are always the top tier enthusiast stuff and even second hand they never really become cheap. If they want/need to fight with Zen on price then I imagine they'll use their mainstream line of CPU's for that.
A skylake 6700k die does not cost Intel north of £250 to make not even close. A '6800k' wont cost intel anything like £250 to make, package and distribute either. Intel already priced the 6700k so that I retailed perilously close to the 5820k. This did not stop stock shortages for the 6700k....
There may be a price bump for the bottom rung six core broadwell-e cpu over the 5820k but it will be relatively modest. Chip shortages' *may* inflate the price ala 6700k of late
Intel wont price it too far north of the 5820k because the chip simply won't have much more to offer.
Regular haswell to broadwell only brought improvements in igpu and power consumption
There's no igpu to buff with consumer socket 2011-3 processors and so people aren't going to pay much more for a '6800k' over a 5820k. Intel will know this and price accordingly...
To an extent they could get away with charging a premium for skylake as it was a new design with a new chipset with more modern features over z97. The same will not be true for broadwell-e over haswell-e
X99 owners are by definition going to, on average, feature more clued up buyers than the consumer sockets that Intel sell in far greater number. They will quickly spot Intel trying to pull a fast one selling us pretty much the same cpu at an inflated price.
Some people will however pay a premium for the rumored 10 core flagship cpu
Intel rarely makes significant drops to cpu pricing the just let then go eol
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Are you really this naive/ignorant?
Do you have an idea how much it costs to research, developer, implement and equip fabs for 14nm production?
OBVIOUSLY the price of 14nm CPU's reflect the development costs of the 14nm process. We're talking BILLIONS to be made back here, hence the high prices.
As time goes by, the yields will increase, enabling Intel to reduce prices. Until then, try to understand why 14nm CPU's cost more than 22nm ones.....
Not as ignorant as you have proved yourself Dave. Ultimately its speculation but I have provided reasoned argument to support my belief. You have repeatedly been called out for telling outright untruths and have not corrected yourself when told your wrong with proof......
It simply doesn't cost them that much to produce. Don't be so delusional.
Intel know what they're doing, and it's not in their best interests to be putting out products that cost them so much to manufacture.
They have high margins because of the fact that they pretty much control the market. Progress is down and prices are up, as it happens during a monopoly.
Sigh, obviously if you ignore 14nm research, developerment and solely look at what it costs Intel today to make a quadcore Skylake die, it's peanuts yes.
Though obviously the 14nm research and development have to be paid for - this is reflected in the prices.
Do you expect Intel to sell you a 6700k for £30? That's probably the production cost for these CPU's, if you ignore the billions of dollars required for the research and implementation of the 14nm process (the most advanced production process in the world).
LOL.
LOL. Sorry, can't help myself.
What planet are you on? I'd be surprised if there's a single i7 branded SKU left in production where their margin is not ~$100. Most are well north of that. The chips cost them a fraction of what you think and their margins are much higher. However 14nm has been a total disaster for them. A first. Not only was the process years late and many billions over budget, but it hasn't delivered what it was designed to do and will never be ramped up to the huge production volumes originally intended. Intel absolutely will not take a reduction in per unit margins until they absolutely have to. Skylake is so costly because it (and broadwell) cost way more than haswell to make at much lower yields, and they need to claw back some of the gigantic sunk costs surrounding 14nm. They don't care if they price previous i7 buyers out of the market, as they don't have the volume or inventory that they did at 20nm.
They clearly expect AMD to be (probably very) competitive in PURE CPUs and they won't have an answer to the big die APUs in either consumer or HPC for a long time. AMD have neither of those on the market or in volume yet. If you expect Intel to lead with price cuts you're out of your mind. They'll raise prices to reflect increased costs and anticipated competition... when the latter eventuates, only then will prices go down (and not to prior levels).
A 4790k cost a lot more than £30. I'd guess ~$65-75. Add at least $25 for Skylake equivalent once yields are factored in.
I'm not ignoring R&D, but you can't simply state that R&D adds X amount the the BOM when it comes to manufacturing a CPU.
Intel won't overspend on R&D if they think there won't be a viable return, so whilst their R&D expenditure will be very high, it doesn't mean that their CPUs cost that much to make.
I feel like you've quoted the wrong person there, as they appear to be in agreement with you.
He disagreed with everything...
As usual Dave a bit or research confirms you talk absolute nonsense. Check out the launch bulk prices (i.e. what Intel sell on to retailers OEM’s etc) for the previous ‘top end’ i7 consumer socket four core/ eight thread CPU’s over the past four years
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/
Launch 1ku prices
6700k $350 - August 2015
5775c $366
4790k $339
4770k $339
3770k $313
2700k $332 - October 2011
Allowing for inflation (http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ ) from 2011 to 2015 plugging the 2700k value in gives an inflation adjusted price of…………………….
Drum roll
$351.20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 6700k is a 14nm CPU so where is the premium Intel charged for the CPU new over the previous gen Broadwell (which they asked more for! - probably due to the iGPU) and over the gen before that, Haswell, where they asked for a whole $11 dollars less.
Haswell to Skylake is 22nm to 14nm with a whole new CPU design to cost for
Haswell-E to Broadwell-E is the same design shrunk from 22nm to 14nm i.e. probably cheaper to deal with then a new CPU design
Oh and if you factor in inflation for the 4770k (march 2013) to 2015 the price goes from 339 to 346
so basically adjusted for Inflation Intel's 4c/8t top end cpu pricing has remained pretty much unchanged despite spending 'billions' in the mean time to develop new designs on smaller processes.......
Ill await your acceptance that your point (22nm to 14nm CPU’s must involve a big increase in prices from Intel) was wrong …………..
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/
Launch 1ku prices
6700k $350 - August 2015
5775c $366
4790k $339
4770k $339
3770k $313
2700k $332 - October 2011
Allowing for inflation (http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ ) from 2011 to 2015 plugging the 2700k value in gives an inflation adjusted price of…………………….
Drum roll
$351.20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 6700k is a 14nm CPU so where is the premium Intel charged for the CPU new over the previous gen Broadwell (which they asked more for! - probably due to the iGPU) and over the gen before that, Haswell, where they asked for a whole $11 dollars less.
Haswell to Skylake is 22nm to 14nm with a whole new CPU design to cost for
Haswell-E to Broadwell-E is the same design shrunk from 22nm to 14nm i.e. probably cheaper to deal with then a new CPU design
Oh and if you factor in inflation for the 4770k (march 2013) to 2015 the price goes from 339 to 346
so basically adjusted for Inflation Intel's 4c/8t top end cpu pricing has remained pretty much unchanged despite spending 'billions' in the mean time to develop new designs on smaller processes.......
Ill await your acceptance that your point (22nm to 14nm CPU’s must involve a big increase in prices from Intel) was wrong …………..
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See my above post.... Another person who should checks their facts before posting......
Well of course it does, but that's the norm. They have to do that on a regular basis.
But as we've seen Craracus has just SMASHED the counter arguments.
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There's always one ofc ! Haha, mine would be used for a bit of gaming for sure when I pause my BONIC !
Hence why they are such good all round chips. I call that value for money.