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Broadwell-E Core i7-6950X Flagship Processor To Rock 10 Cores
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and prices at retail and outside the US? Those are US bulk channel prices (for OEMs). they're not going to clobber SIs.
you also fail to understand that 14nm was meant to reduce costs significantly for Intel a fairly short way into its ramp. yields were also meant to be decent. neither's gonna happen, and the opposite is true for both. The die size is a fraction of Sandy. instead of capacity to rival what they had at 32 / 45, this will likely be the lowest production node ever (for CPUs / chipsets) for Intel. they can't and won't reduce prices unless they have to. the huge upswing at retail is evidence of this.
they REALLY want 10nm, which they went back to the drawing board for. but that's slipping all the time and was offficially pushed back recently. Cannon Lake is miles off now. They hope that the new Sky Lake stepping in Q3 '16 will fix some yield issues, but I'd doubt it'll be a magic bullet.
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Was the 4790K delidded?
Oh just give it up! its getting embarrassing now...
Intel are an American company, they sell the CPU's in dollars.
The price intel charge in bulk to retailers/ resellers/ OEM's is the starting point for the price to the end consumer - world wide
Of course currency fluctuations between the pound and the dollar will effect prices as will CPU's being in short supply (it was candidly admitted recently by a member of Ocuk that retailers were making much larger margins then usual of the back of the 'k' Skylake CPU's due to there being low stock compared to demand.)
You claimed Skylake costs more because Intel (not the retailers or oem's) have to 'claw back' the cost of the R@D and low yields I have shown that this is NOT the case adjusted for inflation the 6700k cost less then the 2700k at launch and a whole $4 more than the 4770k did at launch.
You made a statement which I have proven wrong - Prices charged by Intel at launch for the top end 4c/8t CPU's have remained stable for years adjusted for inflation
Was you 'laughing out loud' so much that you could not help yourself from noticing that Intel never made a 20nm consumer/enthusiast (i7 only) i5 or i7 CPU they made 32nm ones then 22nm ones then 14nm ones.....
You can go to the back of the class with superlouis and Dave when it comes to factual accuracy .....
You started off making the following claim..
Now we wont know for certain till Intel releases Broadwell-E CPU's but I have shown that your claim
- That the replacement for a CPU (5820k current cheapest Intel 6 core enthusiast CPU) with a 1ku price of $389 on launch from Intel in August 2014 (check graph for 5820k pricing)
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/73809-intel-core-i7-5960x-22nm-haswell/
will suddenly rocket to a retail price of over $760 dollars at the current exchange rates (500 pounds converted to dollars at 1.5202 dollars to the pound as per figures from today from MSN money)
is about as likely as Dave's wishful six core Skylake socket 1151 CPU
- maybe possible but not going to happen.............
for reference the current 'dollar' conversion cost for a 5820K sold for 305 pounds on OcUK translates to a dollar cost of a bit under $464 dollars. Do you really think the price will jump in converted dollars by $296 (194.71 pounds) from the 5820k to the 6800k?
You seen to fail to understand that the cost of Skylake was due to the short supply of the chips (no doubt due to yield problems) causing a supply/demand imbalance with resellers and retailers make big $$$........... the huge 'upswing' at retail is evidence of this and this alone. Now that supply is catching up with demand we are seeing 6700K prices moving to a historically far more typical sub £300 price point.
Broadwell-E wont be in such high demand as Skylake because its a niche market and because it wont offer much to current X99 owners unless they have a hex core pay $$$ for the eight or ten core CPU's as the two six core SKU's will be comparable to the 5820k and 5930k with only a small stock clock buff and likely very little improvement in overclocking given what we have seen from consumer 22nm Haswell to 14nm Broadwell
•Intel Core i7-6850K: 6 cores, 12 threads, 15MB L3 cache, 3.6GHz base clock / 5930k - 6 cores, 12 threads, 15MB L3 cache, 3.5GHz base clock ***
•Intel Core i7-6800K: 6 cores, 12 threads, 15MB L3 cache, 3.4GHz base clock / 5820k - 6 cores, 12 threads, 15MB L3 cache, 3.3GHz base clock ***
*** The figures for the '6' series Broadwell-E CPU's are of course 'leaked' figures but there's nothing to suggest there not accurate
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The only CPU worth upgrading to for the enthusiast will be the 10 core chips. For the average X99 user the die shrink will not offer much if anything. If intel do jack up the prices on Broadwell-E then for anyone thinking of upgrading to X99 picking up a 5820k or 5930K when they are on special offer or go EOL would save themselves some money.
It wasn't, but even at stock it got as high as 70c in games. My 3770k and 4770k ran quite hot too. But that is to be expected with theese pasted chips.
So after AMD confirmed 8c/16ht, Intel change their mind about Broadwell-e and release it with more cores?
I bet they could have released with more than 10c if they really wanted. Yet another handicap courtesy of the business world.
I just hope their entry -E is 8 cores, I can't afford to pay for anything more, so may go with Steamroller instead if not.
I bet they could have released with more than 10c if they really wanted. Yet another handicap courtesy of the business world.
I just hope their entry -E is 8 cores, I can't afford to pay for anything more, so may go with Steamroller instead if not.
Research + dev cost (in house I'd assume) plus packing, wooing retailers with ES and advertising = end cost.
I used to sell herbal colon cleanser for a living out in the U.S and it sold for $69.99. I was poking around in the owner's office one day and found out that it costed 60 cents to make. But they had TV adverts, magazine adverts, cost of having adverts made, paying us and so on.
Don't forget that a Pentium or Celeron is simply a die that's been cut that had a faulty core or two. If that die costs so much then why do Celerons cost bugger all? Don't tell me, Intel make a loss on everything but I5s and I7s?
Don't be so silly. They're killing it (and you) and they know it.
I used to sell herbal colon cleanser for a living out in the U.S and it sold for $69.99. I was poking around in the owner's office one day and found out that it costed 60 cents to make. But they had TV adverts, magazine adverts, cost of having adverts made, paying us and so on.
Don't forget that a Pentium or Celeron is simply a die that's been cut that had a faulty core or two. If that die costs so much then why do Celerons cost bugger all? Don't tell me, Intel make a loss on everything but I5s and I7s?
Don't be so silly. They're killing it (and you) and they know it.
The link I posted is the price charged by Intel to retailers oems etc on launch for the respective cpu's which would include Intel budgeting for r&d, packaging, marketing etc. We know the 'end' (as far as Intel are concerned) cost. I'm sure their bigger clients (massive oems etc) will negotiate there own price bit this would obviously be lower then the generic 1ku pricing.
Its hard to say whether Intel are 'killing' it with 14nm cpu's the 6700k die is tiny but were are told that yields have been low for this fab with lots of delays and complications.
What we do know is that Intel's launch pricing for their respective top end i7 consumer cpu's, adjusted for inflation has remained steady for at least the past four years since the 2700k
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AMD used to cut cores off of their higher end model chips just to make the numbers on the cheaper ones. There were a few Phenom 2s that you could unlock to 6 cores very easily. Some needed a voltage bump, others turned out to be a perfect 6 core CPU.
Whilst I am sure that Intel probably wouldn't chop I5s into Celerons I bet they have cut a few I3s. Celerons are a massive seller in the laptop etc industry.
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Good to know progress in core count is coming along nicely in non server chips, i personally will be sticking with my 5820k as it's more than enough for my needs. I just like being able to leave applications open while gaming and not have any resource issues tbh.
IPC aint getting much better for a long while either by the looks of things, i think x99 is a nice platform for longevity. Few hundred mhz slower overclock speeds over mainstream chips won't make a noticeable difference either.
IPC aint getting much better for a long while either by the looks of things, i think x99 is a nice platform for longevity. Few hundred mhz slower overclock speeds over mainstream chips won't make a noticeable difference either.
Techpower up talking pricing, but I think they are guessing like the rest of us...
http://www.techpowerup.com/217670/intel-core-i7-broadwell-e-to-launch-in-q2-2016.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/217670/intel-core-i7-broadwell-e-to-launch-in-q2-2016.html
I reckon that Intel going from a hedt lineup which for the last three generations had consisted of 3 sku's (currently 5820k, 5930k and 5960x) to one with four sku's with broadwell -e is a big hint that they will be introducing a new 'top tier' enthusiast price for the top end above the traditional $999/ circa £800 (inc vat) price for the top end enthusiast line CPU.
I think Intel would otherwise struggle to realistically price four cpu's with expected uk rrp's starting at around £300 (for the most basic 6 core) going up to £800 for the top end processor (the traditional rough price for the top end part). When you look at the price premium Intel charged for going 1st up to 40 pci-e lanes on a hex core and then up to an Oct core on haswell-e they could not maintain anything like the differentiation pricing wise with an additional cpu to cram in the lineup.£we can reasonably expect £300to be the lowest realistic launch rrp for the low end part as this will place it at or just above the price for the top end consumer CPU (ignoring any retail price inflation due to stock shortages like we have seen with skylake 'k' cpu's)
If broadwell-e consisted of only three sku's (say one hex core, one Oct core and one 'dec'/10 core CPU) then I would anticipate the pricing structure staying largely the same.
As it stands however we now know there will be four cpu's, we can anticipate the lowest price from current pricing and the price for the 6700k (from Intel) and we know that until Zen comes out (late 2016) there is no incentive for Intel to be aggressive on pricing their highest end consumer cpy's
I think Intel would otherwise struggle to realistically price four cpu's with expected uk rrp's starting at around £300 (for the most basic 6 core) going up to £800 for the top end processor (the traditional rough price for the top end part). When you look at the price premium Intel charged for going 1st up to 40 pci-e lanes on a hex core and then up to an Oct core on haswell-e they could not maintain anything like the differentiation pricing wise with an additional cpu to cram in the lineup.£we can reasonably expect £300to be the lowest realistic launch rrp for the low end part as this will place it at or just above the price for the top end consumer CPU (ignoring any retail price inflation due to stock shortages like we have seen with skylake 'k' cpu's)
If broadwell-e consisted of only three sku's (say one hex core, one Oct core and one 'dec'/10 core CPU) then I would anticipate the pricing structure staying largely the same.
As it stands however we now know there will be four cpu's, we can anticipate the lowest price from current pricing and the price for the 6700k (from Intel) and we know that until Zen comes out (late 2016) there is no incentive for Intel to be aggressive on pricing their highest end consumer cpy's
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The dual cores were cut down denebs and could have up to 4 cores when unlocked. Only the cut down thuban 'zosma' quad cores could unlock to a hex. I'm using one in my second machine
