Bruce Lee vs....

Buttkicker · 9 Jun 2006 at 20:55

Depth said:
Why do they have weight classes if it has no affect on how succesful you are?

Exactly Depth
some of the posters in this thread seem to think that people in action movies really are world class fighters
a trained pro boxer or MMA fighter would eat these actors for breakfast
and Depth as an ex boxer My money would be on any even half trained fighter than any of these Martial arts guys... sorry, but if these guys were the supermen they make them selves out to be (and they all do) they would be making serious megabucks not talking on Forums about all this 'Baloney' about trained to do this and that - its a load of of wannabees who would not have the balls to step in with a real fighter

I have been a Boxing fanatic all my life and have been to dozens of Pro bouts and also been to watch the UFC in Las Vegas
along with Thai boxing and full contact Karate,,, and quite frankly Boxing and MMA is for 'REAL' fighters not actors or wannabe Bruce Lee's who 'all' seem to think they have some kind of superpowers able to defeat any one

and look how long this thread is and not a single person has come forward with any kind of credible fight record

yet people post things like
'Having read about Bruce Lee, my bets would go on him'

Obviously a fight expert

Depth · 9 Jun 2006 at 20:58

^^
Good post.

Spit · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:19

But were not talking about any old actor. Bruce Lee was a dedicated martial artist trained to fight. He Started and created his own style. A heavy weight boxer would have the power but not the speed to compete.

Anyway. like people have said, its a pointless debate.

panthro · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:25

I HATE these sodding threads. Bruce Lee is dead so you cannot compare him to anyone no matter what you see in his films.

Depth · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:34

Spit said:
But were not talking about any old actor. Bruce Lee was a dedicated martial artist trained to fight. He Started and created his own style. A heavy weight boxer would have the power but not the speed to compete.

Anyway. like people have said, its a pointless debate.

Hey Spit, I dunno if you saw my post, but would you fancy sparring sometime in the future?

benneh · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:37

Wardie said:
I'm sorry but benneh you're living in a film. That's all i'm saying.

It's hard to say really dude. Bruce lee is best fighter of all time, therefore any argument about him being beaten is fundementally flawed

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Depth · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:46

benneh said:
It's hard to say really dude. Bruce lee is best fighter of all time, therefore any argument about him being beaten is fundementally flawed .

I am the best fighter of all time. My record is just as impressive as Bruce Lee's, because I say it is.

Prove Im not, and while your at it, prove Bruce Lee is.

MrWhippy · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:14

Depth said:
Hey Spit, I dunno if you saw my post, but would you fancy sparring sometime in the future?

mate, i'd take you up on the offer if i was anywhere near.
always good to have a knock around with someone new.

it's so easy to slip into half-arsed sparring with people you are used to training with. you know them, they know you, you both fight to what you know of each others strengths and weaknesses.

i suppose it's an extension of the trap any fighter can fall into, the one of being so good at what he does or is used to, he stops considering what he doesn't do or has yet to learn.

(sweeping generalisation coming, but just to make the point)
you see it with boxers, super fit, fast, light on their feet, but totally 100% stuck in the 'ring and one opponent' mentality. they train their whole career to expect the opponent to be a) on his own, b) in a ring) and c) always smack bang in front of them.

conversely the (traditional) martial artist falls into the same trap but from his own perspective. he's happy to deal with multiple attackers, coming from any angle, maybe tooled up. but for all his breadth of technique he really trains to despatch oponents in the least amount of time, one, two, maybe three strikes to do maximum damage or confusion and then onto the next attacker or hot foot it down the road. no way he's going 12 x 3 minute rounds with even a single guy.

then i guess you've got the modern mixed martial artist, tries to be the best of both worlds. the all rounder.

who's gonna win, difficult to say, it really depends how you're gonna compare them. in the ring, measured over gruelling rounds, the boxer/kickboxer has the edge, fitness and power. out on the street, maybe the traditional martial artist would have the upper hand.

dunno, think my moneys on the amatuer wrestler though, i've done my share of full contact and traditional arts over the years, but when it goes to ground and the choke goes on, it's 10 seconds (if you're lucky) and you're asleep

willd58 · 10 Jun 2006 at 04:11

Fedor is one of the reasons i would have said bruce lee could take tyson, MMA in general is why i say Lee would kill Tyson, an actual MMA fighter Vs Lee, MMA fighter every time, but Tyson is a boxer, which is why Lee could take him easily, Lee Vs an actual fighter not a sportsman, depending on the fighter, for instance, fedor could take Lee imo.

Edit: in the huge thread that came about, i had a lot of people backing me, saying "i agree with willd58" when it came to me saying Lee could take tyson, my proudest forum moment

busterboy · 3 Sep 2006 at 17:38

If I may raise this from the grave....... After reading all 13 pages of this debate my take is that anyone believing that Bruce Lee (actor) could take Mike Tyson (ex heavyweight boxing champion of the world) and beat him is the funniest thing I have heard all year..

Please people stop watching too many movies and get out more..

It like the old "would Joe Louis have beaten Muhamed Ali" if both were at their best..... Now two fighters of the same division would have made a serious debate..

bikes · 3 Sep 2006 at 18:03

Im not sure who would win tbh, but I would hope it would be Bruce

after watching the film from page 1, ok, the guys big but he is oh so slow compaired to Bruce.

And besides........did you ever see Bruce rolling around on the floor like that pansy does in the ring

busterboy · 3 Sep 2006 at 18:08

Its like Royce Gracie taking on Matt Hughes not long ago in the UFC...

Royce was a hero in his day but times have changed, Matt Hughes demolished him in quick time..

And these guy's were in the same weight division. :rolleyes:

Carzy · 3 Sep 2006 at 18:12

Depth and Buttkicker are pretty much the only people talking any sense in this thread. All those people trying to make out that Fedor has no kind of fighting skill and just throws his weight around and flies around wild punches really need to actually watch some Pride or UFC and figure out they don't know ****. If he's so undisciplined and poor at fighting, why hasn't someone come along and kicked his arse? Because there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than people realise in terms of tactical thinking and careful precise grappling techniques. It's the same reason you see people in UFC booing when the fight goes to the ground and they do intricate grappling...people don't appreciate the skill involved.

Bruce Lee evidently has a sort of god like mythical status on this forum - he could beat King Kong in the a fight, he could scale the Petronas towers using only his mouth, and he could fight ten MMAs fighters with left arm. It's all utterly ridiculous. Lee was good, but not this unstoppable master of being able to defeat a complete proven all round amazing fighter like Fedor (or any of the other stars of MMA for that matter).

People need to stop judging their opinion on a couple of videos of Bruce Lee and then just random people saying how amazing he was - that's how myths spread. Go watch MMA, understand it, and you sure as hell won't be saying Lee would win, street fight or ring fight.

bikes said:
Im not sure who would win tbh, but I would hope it would be Bruce after watching the film from page 1, ok, the guys big but he is oh so slow compaired to Bruce.

And besides........did you ever see Bruce rolling around on the floor like that pansy does in the ring

You think Fedor is slow? Lol....

bikes · 3 Sep 2006 at 18:21

Carzy said:
You think Fedor is slow? Lol....

Slower than Bruce ever was

Von Smallhausen · 3 Sep 2006 at 19:01

Would he fair well against Sic and his keyboard ?

Fantom · 3 Sep 2006 at 19:05

I have no disrespect for either fighter (Fedor or Lee) I prefer Lee, but I have to say that fedor guy would actually murder him

And btw that thing about bruce punching someone 100lb heavier than himself 15feet through the air from a 1" punch is utter utter tripe! (unfortunatly)

sc(+)pe · 3 Sep 2006 at 19:08

Lee wouldnt see out the first round if it was a Pridefc fight against Fedor.

Much more entertaining imo would be Lee v Vanderlei Silva.

G-MAN2004 · 3 Sep 2006 at 19:24

I could take Lee. I wouldn't know where to hide him though.

MrSix · 3 Sep 2006 at 19:55

This is a tough one because Lee inspires me every time I see one of his films or training videos. He was lighting fast, accurate, calm and collected and when he wasn't making chicken noises for the camera, he was a fantastic person with great morals and theories about life and martial arts.

Fedor is a superfit highly trained athlete who's quite clearly at the top of his class. He's immensly powerful and quick for his size, utilizing his great upper body strength by delivering brain spinningly powerful punches. His groundwork is top notch too and overall a fantastic fighter.

If the two were to battle, who knows who'd win - any number of anomalies could occur which would favour either side. However I think that you've got to look at the styles and situation in which they'd be fighting.

Bruce Lee was just as competent with his feet as he was with his hands, his kicks carried great power, accuracy and speed.
Everybody knows that kicks have more range than punches, so due to Lee's speed and accuracy, I think he could have Fedor out in the opening seconds with a roundhouse to the side of his knee, dislocating or breaking it and ending the bout.

Fedor has immensly strong punches and due to Lee's smaller size, I believe if Fedor could connect a few punches with the right spot on Lee, he would have him spiralling to the floor in an instant.

Obviously this is all going to be speculation, but if I had to put a fake fiver on it, I would say the chances of Lee taking out Fedor's knee is more probable than Fedor actually managing to land one of his mighty haymakers.

Just my 2p

willd58 · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:05

busterboy said:
If I may raise this from the grave....... After reading all 13 pages of this debate my take is that anyone believing that Bruce Lee (actor) could take Mike Tyson (ex heavyweight boxing champion of the world) and beat him is the funniest thing I have heard all year..

Please people stop watching too many movies and get out more..

Rather than dismiss Lee as just a movie star and actor, try finding out somthing about MMA before bringing this back from the dead, and claiming a guy who can only punch, would beat someone whos more skilled in every other kind of basic combat.

Boxers throw punchs, and block punch's, that is all. Some of them are very good at it, Tyson certain was. He simply wouldnt know how to defend against anything other than a punch, end of. Hed kill Lee in a boxing match, thats obviouse, but without any gloves on, its a lot harder to block a punch, let alone a kick to the shin, or a rear naked choke.

:rolleyes:

MrSix said:
Obviously this is all going to be speculation, but if I had to put a fake fiver on it, I would say the chances of Lee taking out Fedor's knee is more probable than Fedor actually managing to land one of his mighty haymakers.

So what,were just gunna completely ignore grappling?