Bruce sacked
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Wonder if he would go back to Wigan should Martinez get the chop?
Op a whole 3 days early! Amazing 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15975008.stm
Got to be a few people in just as difficult positions to get the chop
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15975008.stm
Got to be a few people in just as difficult positions to get the chop
I think Sunderland fans forget how high he got them, they should be grateful just to stay in the premiership. A pointless cycle of hiring managers, giving them millions, do well one season and achieve a higher standard mid table or just above. Next season it doesn't go as well sack the manager and start all over again throwing more money at a new manager.
They wouldn't have got in europe and they won't go down, so it's all going to be another expensive cycle.
Thank god Everton haven't signed up to the same cycle every time Moyes has had a shocking start, which has been often.
They wouldn't have got in europe and they won't go down, so it's all going to be another expensive cycle.
Thank god Everton haven't signed up to the same cycle every time Moyes has had a shocking start, which has been often.
Can Wigan sack Martinez after he stuck with them in the summer?
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As I said in my original post it would have been done on Monday but for the sad passing of gary speed,also there are some duluded Sunderland fans that think they are going to get Benitez or ancelotti I think they will be lucky if they get o'neill.
Not surprised he's gone, as stated above, given the spending he's been dire, but I'm surprised they've done it now. They're not going to get relegated, so I'd have expected a fair amount of patience from Short. Maybe even one of those rare summer sackings. Guess he's giving the new guy time to assess the squad and plan for targets in January.
I'd say the fact they have money behind them is still going to make them a good prospect. I mean, all bias aside, if you were a quality manager offered a choice between Sunderland, and, say, Villa or Everton, which would you go for?
I'd say the fact they have money behind them is still going to make them a good prospect. I mean, all bias aside, if you were a quality manager offered a choice between Sunderland, and, say, Villa or Everton, which would you go for?
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You're completely ignoring both how much he's spent, and on who, and how much in wages Sunderland are probably paying.
If you take Arsenal and they finish fourth, having spent 20mil in the transfer market and with 100mil + wages, finishing anything less than 4th is a joke at this point. If you take Sunderland and spend 50-60mil in a couple seasons, and the wage bill is up to, I have no idea, call it 50mil a year, then you HAVE to be top half minimum, and pushing for Europe.
If you have spent 5mil, or nothing in Everton's case pretty much, and your wage bill is 30-40million, you don't have the same expectations on you.
It's not necessarily about how well Sunderland are doing, its about how well they are doing when wages, spending, form, club morale, manager support of coaches, players and even the fans all come in to it.
By that metric, Bruce was the first who deserves to be fired, Kean and Coyle 2nd and 3rd, not sure on order or how much either team has spent or currently spends on wages, and Martinez probably a decent way higher because he's got a TINY budget on wages and spends very little, has most half decent players at the club sold without much in the way of replacements.
Exactly.
It takes more than he's been given to push for europe at this stage with the way other teams in the top 5 or 6 have spent or already had a base to work from. Yeah you can get lucky one year if a couple of top clubs have bad years but the top 5 places are sown up.
Everton did give moyes money on many occasions and he spent it badly, usually on forwards, I'm not sure he knows what they do
We stuck with it and it saved us money in the long run. I'd like to see Bruces net spend in and out.He raised expectations, they will bring someone in, waste some more money and end up getting relegated again in the next couple of years after having a list of strachans and fat sams.