Bt 8 meg problem

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This is prob a normal bt thing but torrents dowloaded throught the day seems to be throttled at round 20k each , but at 12 am full speed is there anyway of tricking it to download fast daytime as well ? Used to be with zen and full speed all the time but i guess thats what i was paying extra for :(
 
Tbh I'm not sure whether BT Traffic shape torrents... it wouldn't suprise me at all however if they did. The way round it would be dependant on the methoid of shaping. If they're inspecting the protocol headers in the packets to identify peer to peer transfers you'd need to turn on SSL encryption if your client supports it. This obfuscates the contents of the packets much like a VPN does so the device doing the throttling can't see what's inside.
 
I left BT because of they limit you, and yes they throttle you to give their BT vision more bandwidth. They say that the BT infinity 40MB will be unlimited but this is from a BTforum -

BT Fair Usage Policy -
We have also increased the heavy user threshold from 100GB to 300GB after listening to customer feedback. This means that the traffic management policy will only impact those customers who are driving exceptionally heavy usage – this is a small minority and accounts for less than 0.5% of our customers. We will continue to monitor this policy.

This applies to the BT Infinity Option 2 > 3.
 
OLDPHART said:
I left BT because of they limit you, and yes they throttle you to give their BT vision more bandwidth. They say that the BT infinity 40MB will be unlimited but this is from a BTforum -

BT Fair Usage Policy -
We have also increased the heavy user threshold from 100GB to 300GB after listening to customer feedback. This means that the traffic management policy will only impact those customers who are driving exceptionally heavy usage – this is a small minority and accounts for less than 0.5% of our customers. We will continue to monitor this policy.

This applies to the BT Infinity Option 2 > 3.
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I would take that policy with a pinch of salt, I have been with BT 2 months and nothing but throttling at peak times, like OP says, 12 midnight and it's full speed, it's impossible to even play online games at peak times, and I do not do any torrenting at all, last months usage was arond 40Gb so I am just normal user who they throttle
 
hyperst said:
I would take that policy with a pinch of salt, I have been with BT 2 months and nothing but throttling at peak times, like OP says, 12 midnight and it's full speed, it's impossible to even play online games at peak times, and I do not do any torrenting at all, last months usage was arond 40Gb so I am just normal user who they throttle
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Only applies to Infinity, so unless you have Infinity you will be throttled....
Guys and Gals, within reason every ISP throttles you in one way or another. Traffic shaping/management/whatever is almost 100% applied to everyone in some shape or form, else you would have an almost unuseable internet.

If you look into BT's policies it does say you will be throttled between 8am and 12pm, so unless you move ISP the only real way is to torrent between those hours...
 
hyperst said:
I would take that policy with a pinch of salt, I have been with BT 2 months and nothing but throttling at peak times, like OP says, 12 midnight and it's full speed, it's impossible to even play online games at peak times, and I do not do any torrenting at all, last months usage was arond 40Gb so I am just normal user who they throttle
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That policy is correct because it refers to the general Fair Usage Policy which restricts the whole connection at peak times if you go over the fair usage threshold, which is currently 300GB.

p2p (torrent) traffic is throttled at peak time regardless of whether you breach the FUP limit!

All this applies to bt adsl and bt fttc. Speaking from experience p2p upload speeds on bt fttc are throttled 24/7 to 1Mbit. Only 3 times in as many months have I seen the full 10Mbps and that was only for about 60 seconds each time. My monthly usage is below 100GB, so well within what bt deem to be my fair share and most of it is made up of none p2p traffic.

If you are a p2p user and want to use it at peak time, bt is not for you.
 
they do traffic shape torrents, i never got round it as i didnt care about downloading in the day normally, since wed be using the net anyway. on the normal unlimited home adsl max 8Mb package downloading overnight only, over 4 months, i went over 100gb a month 3 times, and got my connection capped at 70kbps down for a month. This made me phone them up and pay them to **** off (shared house that I moved into after they had got tied into contracts, I never would get BT myself) and paid them the other 9 months of the contract just so I could get back on ADSL24 and go back down to 13ms pings instead of 50, more off peak time and generally better.
 
Ch3m1c4L said:
they do traffic shape torrents, i never got round it as i didnt care about downloading in the day normally, since wed be using the net anyway. on the normal unlimited home adsl max 8Mb package downloading overnight only, over 4 months, i went over 100gb a month 3 times, and got my connection capped at 70kbps down for a month. This made me phone them up and pay them to **** off (shared house that I moved into after they had got tied into contracts, I never would get BT myself) and paid them the other 9 months of the contract just so I could get back on ADSL24 and go back down to 13ms pings instead of 50, more off peak time and generally better.
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how did you get on ADSL24 mate, as that sounds like what I need to do as online gaming with BT is broken for me
 
3dcandy said:
Only applies to Infinity, so unless you have Infinity you will be throttled....
Guys and Gals, within reason every ISP throttles you in one way or another. Traffic shaping/management/whatever is almost 100% applied to everyone in some shape or form, else you would have an almost unuseable internet.
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Not true. Check out Zen and IDNet.

@rippling - Set your torrent client to encrypt traffic and use port 443 if possible. I think you'll probably have to migrate to a better ISP if you want to be free of traffic shaping 24/7.
 
It is true. The fact you're on a contention ratio means you're being traffic shaped. Somewhere along the line there will be a QoS policy that dumps your consumer grade traffic below something (or indeed everything) else and or limits it to less than wirespeed throughput. Such is tantamount to traffic shaping. But without it video and audio streaming wouldn't work. If you run a packet dissector while listening to spotify you'll probably see the IP TOS is slightly higher than that of a HTTP session.
 
fluff said:
Not true. Check out Zen and IDNet.

@rippling - Set your torrent client to encrypt traffic and use port 443 if possible. I think you'll probably have to migrate to a better ISP if you want to be free of traffic shaping 24/7.
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Believe me, as said above it happens. Everything is prioritised otherwise the t'internet would grind to a halt. Just because they say they do no traffic shaping doesn't mean that it isn't shaped/prioritized above them in the chain. If ALL traffic had the same priority it would end in disaster - believe me. Some ISP's shape more or less. BT probably worst for torrent shaping however they do have mitigating circumstances as their network is so outdated in parts they'd be screwed without it. What this country needs is wholesale investment (probably privately funded too) in the core network...
 
BT FUP 300GB per month limit is also up/down combined so only 150 each way which sounds a lot but just looking at a few HD streams on youtube & browsing daily soon adds up to a lot over a month without even downloading anything!

Lot of flash based websites waste a lot of your bandwidth IMO......... but BT really are going downhill fast right now when they throttle Infinity Unlimited Tarrifs & then if you go over they still charge you + for an entire month you get put back on a 2Mb IP Profile :eek:
 
All the ISP's are/will be struggling. People are cutting back on stuff like this. Long gone are the times when people will pay too much for their broadband....
 
hyperst said:
how did you get on ADSL24 mate, as that sounds like what I need to do as online gaming with BT is broken for me
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I got my mac code, went to their website and migrated over :)
I think they still use entanet for the adsl max stuff, I know there was a big upraor when enta went to poo and im not sure if they changed everything over or just the 24mb stuffs.
Ive found them to have very good customer service, mind you ive only phoned em up at 2am when ive been gaming and something has gone offline for maintenance and I wasnt aware since I hadnt checked my email lol.

Edit: if you just want one for gaming, where they let you torrent but the packets are very low priority and all gaming packets are put super high priority then MPUK is good, although im not sure if they ahve started accepting new customers again, havent checked their website in ages.
 
bt have been throttling torrents a lot at peek times. in most over subscribed areas i prefer getting downloads and pings to torrents during peek times.

bt have done well but i get the feeling 3rd party isps have little choice but to be throttled down
 
martynpd said:
bt have been throttling torrents a lot at peek times. in most over subscribed areas i prefer getting downloads and pings to torrents during peek times.

bt have done well but i get the feeling 3rd party isps have little choice but to be throttled down
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Sky for one is unlimited, no prob's downloading, 800kb + no matter what the time of day depending how busy the site is.
 
^^This but you have to be LLU and not the Sky connect product as from what I hear it's just as rubbish as BT.
 
That's because Sky connect IS BT! Sky is better but honestly you ARE still get shaped/managed/throttled. You just don't see it as much because they have so much more capacity. In about 1998 I was the first user in Stafford for NTL's (now Virgin) cable service. I was encouraged to download as much as I could. A CD's worth took 5 seconds. A gig took 10 seconds. The modem quite often reported stats that my network card in the PC couldn't cope with (100 meg PCI Intel based NIC). Then as the time came to launch the product properly I was issued with a firmware upgrade, and I was then stuck on 512 meg. Flashing the modem back to stock still stuck me at 512 meg and you could see the traffic management in use...nothings changed, you still get shapped by all suppliers, just some shape/filter more than others. Some choose to shape torrents, some shape iplayer. If they didn't everyone would complain because every type of traffic would crawl. I bet Sky shape iplayer so that their Skyplayer is better! I know I would if I was in the same boat as them. BT shape torrents so badly because they have so many more customers to keep happy over a broader spectrum, many of whom wouldn't know what a torrent was if it bit them on the bum. Changing ISP's is then your only option, but just beware that they know what you're doing and you risk the case of being prosecuted if the torrents are illegal...
 
Well wouldn't now about how bad Sky connect performs, if you take up a Sky package, just £7.50 a month gets you Sky Unlimited instead of connect. I know quite a few people with Sky and none of them took connect, because of the price of Sky unlimited, been with them 2 years and have not heard of any throttling, shaping or capping of thier broadband.

As for BT, l was with them just for calls and broadband, we had every money saving option going and that worked out at about £64 plus calls on top, went back to Sky are monthly bill about £70 all in. They are still losing people every month, BT infinity certianly wouldn't get me back to BT if you can believe its unlimited, quite happy to wait for Sky to roll 40MB out.
 
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