Budget 2021: Mortgage guarantee to help buyers with 5% deposit

There's plenty of brownfield sites in London, the problem is they just build 'luxury apartments' for Russian oligarchs or Arab sheiks because there's no legal impetus or regulation to ensure they are for the average London worker. You only have to look at the big development sites for 5mins to see what wasted opportunities they are. Try Battersea for the obvious one, that's 20,000 homes up the spout. Totally pointless. Or Royal Wharf, that's nearly 4,000 homes. That's just off the top of my head.

This is why I disagree vehemently with anyone simply suggesting 'build more' to solve the crisis. There's no point building more when (a) they are all 'luxury' apartments and priced as such or (b) if they are anywhere remotely affordable then they are bought up by aforementioned oligarchs or sheiks. Or worse, landlords.

Location affects the price significantly though - whether you want to call them "luxury" or not, if you build in a desirable area then lots of people will compete to purchase those, a developer isn't going to want to sell at some huge discount.

You could try to force a discount for some limited supply of them - some sort of social housing allocation with some criteria for who can buy - lived in the areas for X years as a local council taxpayer or works as a key worker + some max income requirements - maybe then you have some select group of people earning say between 40-60k or some couple with smaller individual but larger joint incomes who can buy a property etc... you've still got an intractable problem with desirable area and supply - even if your allocation isn't purely on price you might have some huge demand for such properties and have them snapped up as soon as put on sale or you might need a lottery system or you might have just restricted your allocation to such a small subset of people that they sell steadily over time but aren't really available to all the others who would love to live there but aren't eligible.

Either way a desirable area in a place like London is going to be oversubscribed whether you allocate properties by price or you thrown in some criteria to filter people and allocate to some subset you're still going to have people who lose out.
 
Location affects the price significantly though - whether you want to call them "luxury" or not, if you build in a desirable area then lots of people will compete to purchase those, a developer isn't going to want to sell at some huge discount. (snip)
I don't disagree at all. It's amazing how successive governments ignore the possibilities though and are 100% happy for these to go to the highest bidder.

It'd be an amazing (and huge) step simply to ban sales to foreign nationals (domiciled abroad), landlords, and anyone who's not a FTB.
 
I don't disagree at all. It's amazing how successive governments ignore the possibilities though and are 100% happy for these to go to the highest bidder.

It'd be an amazing (and huge) step simply to ban sales to foreign nationals (domiciled abroad), landlords, and anyone who's not a FTB.

I don't think we should seek to exclude renters from new developments tbh...(especially in central London where there will be more demand for this from the disproportionate % of young people/professionals and international workers living there short term etc..) I can see the merits of banning foreign owners but I think perhaps a better idea would be to just throw in a significant stamp duty rate for them - so it's not attractive as an investment and more just focused on the fewer foreign buyers who might need a London pad they'll actually use.

I don't see any merit in banning non FTBers tbh.. people need to relocate or downsize etc.. restricting the market in that way doesn't seem to have much utility IMO.
 
I must have tumbled into some yuppies thread 450k houses wtf lol :eek:
You might think that but those prices are average to below average in some areas down in the south. I used to live near oxford so saw first hand how bad it is. All the little towns and villages were the same, very few people born in the area from my generation own a house or live there anymore. All been forced to move further out.
 
I must have tumbled into some yuppies thread 450k houses wtf lol :eek:

First purchase no less!

We're all the way out west (St Margarets) in London and our 3 bed ex council house was 465k (purshased 2019 - first time buyers) - mortgage is still cheaper than renting a 2 bed flat in Chiswick though. Its crazy round here - our house has been valued recently at 600k - hell of a rise in 2 years (though we have done a fair amount of work on it in that time).
 
You might think that but those prices are average to below average in some areas down in the south. I used to live near oxford so saw first hand how bad it is. All the little towns and villages were the same, very few people born in the area from my generation own a house or live there anymore. All been forced to move further out.

That sort of money buys me this a pure random search for cumbria.

https://www.primelocation.com/for-s...h_identifier=7c44472851de7c5cb7c142fddedc2e9b

https://www.primelocation.com/for-s...h_identifier=7c44472851de7c5cb7c142fddedc2e9b
 
London is only good for propping up the rest of the country

I would never live there

Ahh it's a lovely place :)

It is difficult, especially in London a lot of the house building projects are tied in with wider regeneration. Battersea and Nine Elms is a good example of that but I agree there is definitely a wasted opportunity to build genuinely affordable housing, and I am not talking about housing for council tenants, I mean housing for 'low to mid earners' which always seems a category overlooked by the state.
 

I'm from Cumbria myself, but genuine wow at those houses. Serious value for money! It's a similar situation in Scotland and the north east, I'm led to believe.

I think increased remote working will push up the polularity and demand for such places. It is utterly ridiculous when comparing those houses to the shoebox flats in London you get for a similar price. This could be a good thing for more deprived towns in those areas. Having an influx of professionals coming in and spending in the local economies.
 
Still no help if you are single, I can 90/100k mortgage, single bed property's near me that are not in scummy areas, are 150k
 
Still no help if you are single, I can 90/100k mortgage, single bed property's near me that are not in scummy areas, are 150k

why not live in scummy areas? I'm sure if you avoid getting stabbed to death you'll become a millionaire if you just endure :D
 
why not live in scummy areas? I'm sure if you avoid getting stabbed to death you'll become a millionaire if you just endure :D

Because I want to live somewhere I will be happy, and not live next to screaming kids, with parents that have no control over them, and not have to worry if my car will still be in one piece, or still there
 
Because I want to live somewhere I will be happy, and not live next to screaming kids, with parents that have no control over them, and not have to worry if my car will still be in one piece, or still there
Totally get this, and so many people fail to realise this is also a barrier to FTB.

Why would anybody willingly borrow hundreds of thousands of pounds just to 'get on the ladder' if they're going to suffer daily because of the location they've been forced to move to? It doesn't make sense. People are just expecting FTBs to put up with unhappy lives in persuit of ownership - we've gottent to the point where we;re expected to sacrifice happiness for property, instead of understanding and fixing the systemic problem at hand - rife unaffordability, excessive house price inflation, falling wages/borrowing power etc etc.
 
Because I want to live somewhere I will be happy, and not live next to screaming kids, with parents that have no control over them, and not have to worry if my car will still be in one piece, or still there

I was being sarcastic if it wasn't clear, it's a common meme here (and among general population) to tell people to just go buy in rough areas and wait until they are gentrified and the property grows in value or the area becomes safer.

Totally get this, and so many people fail to realise this is also a barrier to FTB.

Why would anybody willingly borrow hundreds of thousands of pounds just to 'get on the ladder' if they're going to suffer daily because of the location they've been forced to move to? It doesn't make sense. People are just expecting FTBs to put up with unhappy lives in persuit of ownership - we've gottent to the point where we;re expected to sacrifice happiness for property, instead of understanding and fixing the systemic problem at hand - rife unaffordability, excessive house price inflation, falling wages/borrowing power etc etc.

Precisely. The common advice is to either live in roughest part of town, or uproot your life and go live somewhere totally new, or even worse, quit your career and learn totally new skills in a totally part of the country, or even in a new country.

At some point people have to stop and ask whether they live to buy a property, or they buy a property to live inside it. This country's attitude to home ownership is effectively a fundamentalist religion at this point.
 
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I think increased remote working will push up the polularity and demand for such places. It is utterly ridiculous when comparing those houses to the shoebox flats in London you get for a similar price. This could be a good thing for more deprived towns in those areas. Having an influx of professionals coming in and spending in the local economies.
I think those houses are butt-ugly and I was expecting something more, to be honest! Have prices for remote-working gone up already or something? ;) In all seriousness, I hope what you said is true. The UK would be a much lovelier place if every small town high street was full of independent coffee shops, restaurants and shops to keep home-workers (or rather, just 'workers'?) entertained without the need to shlep 1hr on a train into London/Birmingham/Manchester/any other city.

People are just expecting FTBs to put up with unhappy lives in persuit of ownership - we've gottent to the point where we;re expected to sacrifice happiness for property, instead of understanding and fixing the systemic problem at hand - rife unaffordability, excessive house price inflation, falling wages/borrowing power etc etc.
Yep. That's a great reason why a lot of people in London rent in what outsiders would deem a "fancy" area. I can tell you now the rent difference on your average 2 bed flat, between a "fancy" area (I mean really, just somewhere nice) and a dive is not all that much. If you're looking to save a London-sized deposit then the £200/month rent difference to live somewhere nice isn't going to make a jot of difference to be honest. Neither is avocado toast, lol. The "haves" in this thread are so quick to tell someone to throw their life upside-down, whilst completing ignoring the wider problem at hand.

Just from my Google feed, nothing to do with my situation or opinions but thought I would share
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-generation-rent-stamp-duty-holiday-mortgages
Fantastic article. Says it all really.
 
It's really hard if you're single/single income.

You are chilling away at a moving target. If you can't get your wage up the barrier could be getting further away in a lot of areas and easily outpace your saving rate.
 
According to research by Shelter, the average first-time buyer in England will pay £224,600 for a property, requiring £11,200 for a 5% deposit and an income of £59,300. Yet two-thirds of renters have no savings at all, let alone a deposit. That’s the gigantic gulf: most homeowners can’t imagine life without a penny in the bank.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-generation-rent-stamp-duty-holiday-mortgages

So you need both partners to be earning the UK average wage but also live somewhere with house prices not above the UK average, quite a tricky balance. Considering your FTB is also likely to be at the age where people want to stat a family and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is wrong with this picture.
 
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