Poll: Burka Ban?

Should the burka be banned?

  • Yes

    Votes: 482 47.2%
  • No

    Votes: 156 15.3%
  • Get stricter with it's wearing, for ID purposes etc.

    Votes: 370 36.2%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 13 1.3%

  • Total voters
    1,021
We - the westerners - often jump to the conclusion that they are about the oppression of women, they're actually supposed to be about a higher level of respect for women, in that you're not judging them aesthetically.

If I was in charge of a petrol station though, they would be subject to the same rule as crash helmets.
 
Ban or have in place checks for identity at specific places (Airport, banks etc) only.

Anywhere else people can wear what they want, including men who want to be 'a laydee' or students :D.

An admin fee should be charged for people wishing to undergo special checks rather than removing their headgear, whatever this headgear may be.

I agree with people citing the need for people going abroad having to follow other nations religious customs regardless of our own although I have no knowledge of any Christian custom which forbids other religions dress codes.

Andy said:
if i wore a burka over my motorbike helmet and was removed from the bank could i complain about discrimination ?

Nope but I would hope you would be arrested for dangerous driving. Everyone should know you would need to wear the Burka under the helmet least the Burka spin around and the viewing slit end up on the back of your helmet :p.

Strife212 said:
Britain isn't a country though...

Don't think he specified he was talking about a country although without punctuation it could have a couple of meanings.

Yay Pagans, yay naked virgins ..... err hang on..... what with the state of obesity in the UK today, scratch that, get their clothes back on :eek:.

RB
 
Can't theoretically a man walk around in a Burka pretending to be a woman while passing CCTV on the way to commiting a crime, because walking round the side of a his ex's building where he planned to murder her in a balaclava would look rather suspicious the next day when she's found murdered and they check the CCTV, however with a burka on you can be actively hiding your identity but without arousing suspicion that thats exactly what you're trying to do.

Meh, even so I don't think it should be banned, because then we'd be wanting to ban, poncho's, or have every gps tagged so no matter what you were wearing the police would know where you are.

You CAN'T treat everyone like they might commit a crime and you can't change what people are allowed to do incase they commit a crime. Criminals should lose certain rights to protect the rest, but people who have done nothing should be free to do and wear what they want.

I think its entirely up to a premises own personal choice if they require anyone coming in to pay for say, petrol, to not be covering their face for safety reasons, if they want to lose business thats fine.

However there really should be a reason, IE if they've had 4 holdup's by motobike riders who have kept their helmet on, you'd understand them requesting them to take their helmets off, but randomly deciding all Burka wearers are a large risk is a rather large jump to make.

Same way places that have trouble with hoody wearers are understandly worried by groups of hoody wearing chavs, but its ridiculous when there was that case of a 70yr old woman being asked to take the hood off from the jacket she was wearing while around a Tesco's, or something along those lines.

Common sense + a little respect for everyones right to wear what they want added to everyones right to refuse service to people for any reason, especially if they are genuinely worried would go a long way.
 
Can't theoretically a man walk around in a Burka pretending to be a woman while passing CCTV on the way to commiting a crime, because walking round the side of a his ex's building where he planned to murder her in a balaclava would look rather suspicious the next day when she's found murdered and they check the CCTV, however with a burka on you can be actively hiding your identity but without arousing suspicion that thats exactly what you're trying to do.

Or, you could wear one when attempting to avoid capture after you've just failed in your attempt at mass-murder of innocent civilians.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1412997.ece
 
I am in the half way house between being more strict and banning it......


I have to admit there are a lot more people voting for then ban which really surprised me for some reason :p
 
I voted yes because in my mind it's as simple as respecting the law of the land you're in, the same would be said of me if I moved to another country I would adopt and respect their laws and traditions otherwise I'd have no place there.

And I'd also lean towards agreeing with the "Burka's are so utterly backward and Neanderthal" comments.
 
Yes it should be banned, the burka and other full face covering are actually not part of the muslim religion, they are just traditions in muslim countries. The headscarf however is part of the religion and should be allowed (just like the turban to sihks).
 
I'm surprised to see so many people vote for an outright ban when these same people are probably the ones who complain about how 'backwards' certain ethnic groups are.

You're as backwards as them. This is Britain. Freedom of speech and freedom to do what the hell you damn want to, within reason, should rein supreme here. At the end of the day, people who choose to wear a burka should be free to wear one if it's not causing any harm, which it doesn't.

I agree with the notion that its wearing should be stricter as it obviously imposes security risks and what not.

I think what frustrates a lot of white British Christians/Agnostics/Atheists/Scientologists/etc is that in this country you seem to have more freedom to say what you like here if you are from foreign origin (or try speaking on their behalf :rolleyes:) than if you've come from 10 or 20 generations of family living in the UK alone.

That's not to say it should be reversed, but it would be nice if we could equally be allowed to say what we like. I mean, what's with all the bashing of people who have said that they want it banned on this thread? They should be allowed to have that opinion without needing to justify it to everyone else.

That said, I think the problem surrounding this topic has been escalated by the media. I'm sure the actual ratio of crime-committing-burkha-wearers to innocent-law-abiding-burkha-wearers is very similar to the ratio of crime-committing-motorbike-helmet-wearers to innocent-law-abiding-motorbike-helmet-wearers.

The innocent many end up getting penalised for the actions of the naughty few. If you're going to apply this response to one group it should be the same across the board - burkhas=helmets (in ID terms), same rules apply.
 
My reasons for wanting it banned are:
- I can't possibly believe that someone can drive safely while wearing one!
- It is clear oppression, the women may be forced to wear them in their own country but we have a free (lol) country where oppression should not be tolerated.
- More importantly it segregates the wearers from the rest of society which leads to misunderstanding and hatred.
 
I don't like them, but nor do I like some long haired emo idiot wearing a T shirt with huge letters saying "IM METAL AS ****" when I'm out walking with my rather inquisitiive 6 y/o nephew. I don't know why this UKIP guy thinks that the key to bring Britain's seperated communites is to use the law to enforce the dress codes of one of them. Just genius.
Mind you, I still haven't decided what's more brain damaging, fundamentalist religion or Heavy metal.
 
My reasons for wanting it banned are:
- I can't possibly believe that someone can drive safely while wearing one!
- It is clear oppression, the women may be forced to wear them in their own country but we have a free (lol) country where oppression should not be tolerated.
- More importantly it segregates the wearers from the rest of society which leads to misunderstanding and hatred.

1) Well they can. I can ride a motorbike safely with a helmet, and a scarf covering all my face apart from my eyes because it's freezing. I've got probably the same or less vision than burkha wearers, and I ride safely.
2) It is clear oppression to tell people what they can and can't wear. I MAY be forced to wear no shoes when I am in a temple in Thailand. Therefore you're argument would ALSO suggest shoes are an instrument in oppression, and should be banned here!
3) We have a free country where people can choose to be segregated if they want. Some people move to small villages or out on their own for precisely the same reason. Some people choose small communities in islands off the mainland with only 600 population. It's a free country. What would you suggest .. 'compulsory commuity day' where everyone is forced by big burly men to wander around the streets talking and showing each other their faces?

It's all about freedom ..
 
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was it the politics show yesterday where the muslim woman was arguing against the ban, and she tried to compare the freedom to choose how you dress with the freedom of choice afforded to those who chose punk dress? Not entirely helpful comparison, tbh. If that's the general angle of muslims for wearing a burka/habib (anarchy, social rebellion et al being worn in the name of their religion) then they can go wear a burka in some other country, thanks.
 
I wonder how many crimes are committed by people wearing hoodies, to help conceal their identity from CCTV, compared to burkas.
 
Send who back? The majority of Muslims in this country are British.

Maybe this generation but what about the other 30+ members of the immediate family?

Tbh i don't really care, aslong as people dont take advantages of loop holes and steal our tax money. Which from my experience it is widely done in those communities.

Maybe stereotypical but stereotypes have to come from somewere.
 
None of the above, better educate people in the sciences. Build an intellectual culture based on understanding. Religion and all that goes with it is really a non-issue in an educated society.
 
Burka's shouldn't be banned because the state shouldn't be allowed to regulate what we wear in our own time in public. I do think however, that religious clothing and symbols should not be allowed in school (by students and teachers) as the point of a school uniform is to make everyone uniform in appearance to reduce segregation between races,wealth and religion. Similarly if a job requires a high level of social interaction which a burka might interfere with then the employer could require that it not be worn.
 
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