Poll: Burka Ban?

[trigger-happy]

Leave people be, unless they are breaking the law then the assumption should be one of innocence and wearing a burka is not in itself dangerous.

I thought I already voted in this thread however......what is going on?

yes but some women fail to remove the burka when told by authority. 100% stupid imo, its better for hijab.

 

[Robbo]

Why force them??...is that really the path we want to take??...why not educate these women better so they dont feel the need to wear one??

I bet that most of them are brainwashed and wont listen, or do it because their husband forces them to.

I dont find it directly offensive, just that what it represents is frankly obscene and has no place on the streets of the UK.

 

[JBod]

I'm muslim and I agree to banning the bruka. Its not even islamic ffs, women only did that when there was sand storms when they were travelling. Women should be wearing the hijab not the burka! But hey, people have the right to wear whatever they want.

like this:

or this:

I'd tap that twice.

 

[Castiel]

yes but some women fail to remove the burka when told by authority. 100% stupid imo, its better for hijab.

I agree, but that doesn't warrant a full on ban.

France are infamous for their vehement defence of their culture, for example they tried to ban the addition of English terminology into their language some time ago, and the Burka ban is no different.

 

[doofer]

 

[bitslice]

It interferes with my basic human right to letch at women

IIRC, it's so that muslim men can define morality by what their women/chattels wear, like some people say short skirts are loose.
Given that we no longer think that way and have no need to tell women what to wear, they should be removed solely to deny some Muslim men their cultural preference to control women. That kind of attitude is stopping these women from integrating into our society and breaking free from this nonsense.
In our culture it's also considered rude to hide behind a mask when meeting people, this is no different.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I'm not a fan of the burka in any way but I think banning it could be counterproductive and a worse transgression against the principles of freedom than allowing it to remain. In situations where it poses a security risk I'd like to see all parties being adult enough to accept that concessions will have to be made but for respect to be shown to peoples beliefs.

The idea that unless a woman is covered up either or both sexes will be unable to contain their urges is both somewhat of a fantasy position and mildly offensive. However I think there are better and bigger things to worry about overall.

 

[meghatronic]

I voted "yes" for this - which I'm a bit surprised at. Should be a "no", or I suppose for ID etc.

It isn't governments (moral) place to ban things like that.

This doesn't mean I support their wearing, mind you.

 

[Angilion]

That's interesting, so, the burka is not really a religious dress code?.

Where do you draw the line on what is religious and what isn't? If a custom is not forbidden by a religion and is endorsed by some clerics of that religion, is it part of the religion?

As far as I can tell without being able to read Arabic, the only unequivocal Islamic dress code requirement is to dress modestly, with details being unclear apart from women covering their breasts. It boils down to what was meant by 'zinah' in a couple of verses. Since it means different things in different verses, it's really not clear what it was supposed to mean in the couple of verses relating to Islamic clothing requirements for women. It's about beauty and ornamentation, but it can mean all sorts of things, e.g. another verse uses it to describe nice-looking clothing. Maybe it was meant to be a reference to a woman's figure, which would mean the requirement is to wear loose opaque clothing. It's not at all clear. For women, it's often interpreted as showing hands and face only (when she can be seen by men who aren't close relatives), based on a statement attributed (rather weakly, apparently) to Mohammed.

Caveat: I can't read Arabic, so I'm going on translations to English and various discussions about it.

And with regards to wearing whatever one wants to wear is true i suppose but there are limitations for some people of what they can actually wear in certain public places without impeding the law, and exceptions for others based on their religious code? rights?. All very confusing, what a mess this country is in.

I'm not at all happy about religion being placed above the law, which is what is being done when exceptions are made based on religion.

 

[bhavv]

Women really choose to wear the Burka themselves do they?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...Council-women-cannot-debate-wearing-veil.html

Muslim Council: women cannot debate wearing veil

The body which claims to be the voice of Britain's Muslims has told women that wearing the veil is "not open to debate".

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said that not covering the face is a "shortcoming" and suggested that any Muslims who advocate being uncovered could be guilty of rejecting Islam.

In a statement published on its website the MCB, warns: "We advise all Muslims to exercise extreme caution on this issue, since denying any part of Islam may lead to disbelief.

"Not practising something enjoined by Allah and his Messenger… is a shortcoming. Denying it is much more serious."

The statement quotes from the Koran: "It is not for a believer, man or woman, that they should have any option in their decision when Allah and his Messenger have decreed a matter."

The statement will add to controversy about the veil after France earlier this week banned the full-face covering.

"There is no case for a French-style ban in the UK and virtually no serious person supports it," said Haras Rafiq, of the moderate Muslim think-tank, Centri.

"But by this statement, effectively suggesting that the veil is an obligation, the MCB have put themselves at the opposite extreme of the spectrum."

The statement is signed by the MCB's then secretary-general, Mohammad Abdul Bari, and his deputy, Daud Abdullah. It was published in the wake of an earlier controversy about the niqab but passed without notice.

It remains available on the MCB website as a statement of policy.

Other signatories of the statement include Imran Waheed, spokesman of the extremist group Hizb ut Tahrir and several other extremists including Haitham al-Haddad, who has denounced music as a "prohibited and fake message of love and peace". All 27 signatories, who describe themselves as "Islamic groups and scholars," are male.

Dr Bari stepped down as secretary-general of the MCB last year, but remains chairman of the hardline East London Mosque, whose chief imam, Abdul Qayum, also signed the statement.

Dr Bari is also a former president of the fundamentalist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the mosque and which advocates a sharia state in Europe.

The MCB received significant funding under the previous government and was seen as the main representative voice of Britain's estimated 2.8 million Muslims but has not received any official money since February 2010.

The MCB did not respond to enquiries.

Lookie where your tax monies were being spent

 

[bhavv]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...K-vow-to-kill-women-who-dont-cover-heads.html

Wear hijab or die

ISLAMIC extremists bent on establishing Sharia law in Britain have threatened to kill women who do not cover their heads.

They have also posted signs warning of "gay-free" zones and defaced posters featuring bikini-clad models.

Hardline Muslims are feared to be imposing their values on others in Tower Hamlets, East London.

A non-Muslim Asian pharmacist in Whitechapel who wears western clothes said she was told to cover up with a hijab headscarf or face a boycott.

Later she claimed a second man told her: "If you keep doing these things we will kill you." Police are investigating.

Borough Commander of Tower Hamlets Paul Rickett said: "Anyone found committing such acts will face criminal proceedings."

MP Khalid Mahmood for Birmingham's Perry Barr - where posters have been defaced - said: "These people must accept others."

Firebrand Muslim cleric Anjem Choudary said: "They may say, 'Sister, it's obligatory to cover your hair'. But nobody's going to say, 'You are going to be killed'."

In February a man got community service for threatening to kill his cousin if she didn't cover her head.

 

[asim18]

Women really choose to wear the Burka themselves do they?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...Council-women-cannot-debate-wearing-veil.html



Lookie where your tax monies were being spent

My mother's a Muslim and she doesn't cover her face so your argument is invalid.

And thanks for the RSS feed.

 

[Nitefly]

My friend saw this in town the other day.

I think it's brilliant.

 

[bhavv]

My mother's a Muslim and she doesn't cover her face so your argument is invalid.

?????

What did the articles that I posted or the comment that I made have anything to with how your mother dresses?

The comment I made was questioning whether women who wear the Burka are actually choosing to do so or are intimidated / forced by others.

I also didnt make an argument btw, I asked a question based on the article.

 

[Castiel]

My friend saw this in town the other day.

I think it's brilliant.

Brilliant.

 

[asim18]

I also didnt make an argument btw, I asked a question based on the article.

You didn't ask a question. You stated a rhetorical. And the answer is actually YES they do choose to wear it themselves. Because my mother chose not to wear it as an example.

 

[bhavv]

You didn't ask a question. You stated a rhetorical. And the answer is actually YES they do choose to wear it themselves. Because my mother chose not to wear it as an example.

So you deny that some Muslim women who wear the Burka do so out of intimidation and threats from other Muslims?

 

[asim18]

So you deny that some Muslim women who wear the Burka do so out of intimidation and threats from other Muslims?

Im not including criminals that force people to do things.

 

[Pate]

My friend saw this in town the other day.

I think it's brilliant.

Can muslims be queers? :S

 

[bhavv]

Im not including criminals that force people to do things.

So you simply ignore a lot of the oppressive culture that arises through the practice of your religion as opposed to actually condemning such behavior. So you are apologetic towards extremist tendencies within Islam and simply pretend like they do not happen.

Can muslims be queers? :S

Sure, anyone can. But other Muslims wouldnt be too happy about it and such a girl would either have to run away from her home or face severe verbal abuse and discrimination, and even death threats and physical violence from other muslims including her own parents.

And its also a completely fictional poster with a cartoon character for starters, not a real lesbian muslim otherwise I dont doubt that her days would be numbered.