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Buyers remorse already

robfosters

robfosters

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On Friday I ordered a i5 6600k, DDR4 and a Gigabyte ultra gaming mobo to be delivered Tuesday. Problem is I'm already having buyers remorse.

I'm just worried that I'm chucking £450 on something that I will barely notice the difference on in games that I play like Cities: skylines, Rome: TW2 and FSX.

Dont know if I'm better off waiting for Kabylake and the new chipset or even Cannonlake instead. My 2500k has had a new cooler and is going along nicely at 4.4Ghz. Still playing pretty much everything very decently.

Any advice or should I just ignore the feelings and go with it?
 
I personally think its a waste I'm sorry to say. Surely the difference will only be slight? Id just overclock the 2500K more, or find a used 2600K/2700K on the MM.

I'm running my 5GHz 2700K for a few more gens... :)
 
Acme said:
I personally think its a waste I'm sorry to say. Surely the difference will only be slight? Id just overclock the 2500K more, or find a used 2600K/2700K on the MM.

I'm running my 5GHz 2700K for a few more gens... :)
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ditto, unless you can gain with PCIe3.0 and a new chipset but that will only be a handful of fps.
 
Blame it on the crap weather, I've got new kit arriving tomorrow to build a Z170/6700k.

Already have this! that runs everything I throw at it.

 
Troop said:
Blame it on the crap weather, I've got new kit arriving tomorrow to build a Z170/6700k.

Already have this! that runs everything I throw at it.

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I think you are quite mad sir - your existing system is spot on, take a lot to beat that out I would have thought.
 
Dw bout it, your getting shiny new stuff. If ya ordered it here you get harribo, its worth it for that alone. :)
 
You may (or may not) be pleased with the boost in performance. An i5 6600K running at 4.5GHz (very easily done) with DDR4 should be roughly equivalent to your 2500K running at nearly 6GHz (almost impossible) with DDR3.

Even if you already have a fairly beefy graphics card, the gains in many modern games may allow you to crank up a few more in-game graphics settings...

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://pclab.pl/art66945.html

(See p.15 to 19)
 
There should be a very noticeable difference going from a 2500k to 6600k (especially if you have fast/overclockable ram and overclock the skylake @ 4.4 or past it).

Tbh your gpu will always be the biggest fps change you can make but the 6600k should give you a good boost to load times and allow you to up some graphic settings (dont forget in games like rome where you load all the time this is especially important).
 
robfosters said:
On Friday I ordered a i5 6600k, DDR4 and a Gigabyte ultra gaming mobo to be delivered Tuesday. Problem is I'm already having buyers remorse.

I'm just worried that I'm chucking £450 on something that I will barely notice the difference on in games that I play like Cities: skylines, Rome: TW2 and FSX.

Dont know if I'm better off waiting for Kabylake and the new chipset or even Cannonlake instead. My 2500k has had a new cooler and is going along nicely at 4.4Ghz. Still playing pretty much everything very decently.

Any advice or should I just ignore the feelings and go with it?
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I just changed (not really and upgrade, per se) my Z77 board, 3770k with 16GB of DDR3 memory to a 6700k, M.2 NVME drive and 16GB of DDR 4. Both running at 4.5Ghz and powering a 980GTX.

I notice very little difference. Windows seems to boot a little quicker, but we are talking seconds and that could also be down to a fresh install of W10. Not much seems to be different in games or Photoshop.
Dirt Rally, Dying Light, Fallout 4, Atilla, RTW, Civ V, Skylines all seem to run the same (only limited testing as yet though). Although I am looking forward to see if there is a difference in the late game stages of some of them that I play, as they were taking quite a while to take their turns.Not reinstalled Far Cry 4 as yet. At that time the GPU load wasn't that high and so I thought that the limiting factor would have been the 3770k as that was being more utilised.
Now that I have freed up a SSD drive, after buying the M.2, I use that as a Photoshop editing disk for photo use and that is better than my mechanical drive.
Perhaps if I had a stack of benchmarks done prior to the change and then re-ran again it might have shown some synthetic differences, but that isn't my thing really.

I am only needing 1.25v for the 6700k to run at 4.5Ghz so there might be some headway there. But I know that isn't going to make much difference over what I have now so I'm happy with that. Then again the 3770k only needed a low voltage for 4.5Ghz.

This guys thoughts of a NVME M..2 drive mirrors somewhat my own findings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aLW7Bk5Zgk

...looking at what I did for the performance gains against that of the cost I am underwhelmed and kinda disappointed so far. Since 2012, when I got my Z77 board (IIRC) there are only incremental small differences with the Z170 board I have just bought.

I don't use a flight sim so you might see some gains there, anyway you have bought it now so best wishes and at least its a shiny new toy to play with :)

Even after writing the above I know of the incredible VFM that the Z77 Ivy Bridge build had given me over the years and if I break that down in the hours used against the cost then I don't feel too bad about spending what I have on the Z170 system, as I know that too will last for several years.
 
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Thanks guys.

I have cancelled the order. Too much money for minimal gain for 1080p gaming. I'll definitely upgrade to either Kaby or cannon lake though and then swap my 970 for a 1080Ti when it's out. That will be a banging gaming rig.

Any of you fine people have any idea of what will be out first, cannonlake or the 1080Ti?
 
robfosters said:
Thanks guys.

I have cancelled the order. Too much money for minimal gain for 1080p gaming. I'll definitely upgrade to either Kaby or cannon lake though and then swap my 970 for a 1080Ti when it's out. That will be a banging gaming rig.

Any of you fine people have any idea of what will be out first, cannonlake or the 1080Ti?
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Kaby Lake is up next, in late 2016 or early 2017. Don't expect Cannonlake until late 2017 at the earliest, unless AMD's Zen puts enough pressure on Intel to speed up its delivery. The only real benefits Kaby Lake has are full 10-bit HEVC decoding and native USB 3.1 (10 Gb/s). Unless you're building an HTPC there really won't be any point in Kaby Lake unless they somehow manage to get higher clock speeds on 14 nm.

At 1080p, I see no reason to move beyond Nehalem, let alone Sandy Bridge. At some point, once my study is refurbished, I plan on building an entirely new system for 1440p gaming. New monitor, new quieter case, new NVMe M.2 SSD, new everything except keyboard and mouse I suspect. If I wasn't going up in resolution though, I wouldn't bother.
 
DragonQ said:
Kaby Lake is up next, in late 2016 or early 2017. Don't expect Cannonlake until late 2017 at the earliest, unless AMD's Zen puts enough pressure on Intel to speed up its delivery. The only real benefits Kaby Lake has are full 10-bit HEVC decoding and native USB 3.1 (10 Gb/s). Unless you're building an HTPC there really won't be any point in Kaby Lake unless they somehow manage to get higher clock speeds on 14 nm.

At 1080p, I see no reason to move beyond Nehalem, let alone Sandy Bridge. At some point, once my study is refurbished, I plan on building an entirely new system for 1440p gaming. New monitor, new quieter case, new NVMe M.2 SSD, new everything except keyboard and mouse I suspect. If I wasn't going up in resolution though, I wouldn't bother.
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This is the thing. I am eventually moving up from 1080p to 4K when the 1080Ti is out, so I think I will really need to upgrade then. Can't stay on lowly 1080p for ever.
 
robfosters said:
This is the thing. I am eventually moving up from 1080p to 4K when the 1080Ti is out, so I think I will really need to upgrade then. Can't stay on lowly 1080p for ever.
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Just curious but do you actually see a difference between a game running at 1080p and 4k, that isn't down to monitor differences.?
Apart from performance differences that is.
I'm running at 1440p worth my 27" monitor, but that is more down to the screen size as such.
 
Vimes said:
Just curious but do you actually see a difference between a game running at 1080p and 4k, that isn't down to monitor differences.?
Apart from performance differences that is.
I'm running at 1440p worth my 27" monitor, but that is more down to the screen size as such.
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Yes most definitely for me. I think people who can't tell the difference genuinely have poor eyesight.
 
I suppose high FPS is another reason to upgrade. 2160p144 would be pretty incredible, although I doubt even dual GTX 1080s could manage that with high settings. That's the main reason I imagine I'll move to 1440p rather than 2160p: so I can get a higher frame rate monitor and use FreeSync with it. Hell, maybe even nVidia will have gotten on board by then! :D
 
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