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Demon said:
Some people have their own wacky definitions of what is a cross over vs SUV.

The ID.7 is accepted as a saloon by the motoring journalist community.. it's height and height to length ratio is clearly of a saloon.

The ID.7 is shorter than the ID.3, and an ID.3 is still (barely) in the hatchback category..
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It's definitely not a saloon.

cuke2u said:
Also the id7 is a hatchback as well, according to auto express https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/id7 and it does not have a boot opening the same as a saloon does. You only have to look at the rear to see. Size and dimensions have nothing to do with the class of the car..
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cuke2u said:
Is it not obvious? You can either call it a hatchback or by it's proper name a gran coupe, whatever. But a saloon/sedan it isn't, by definition a saloon has a three box design and a smaller opening boot lid.
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This. It's a hatchback.

The definitions are pretty clear:

Hatchback: 5 doors; the boot is part of the main cabin (may have a parcel shelf or other temporary barrier, but still fully accessible from the cabin).
Estate: 5 doors; a hatchback with a (near) vertical tailgate. Floor area/shape in the boot is often the same as the hatchback version of the same car, but the vertical tailgate gives more load space (OK, maybe there's some ambiguity as to at which point "near vertical" delineates the difference between hatchback and estate, but if we're talking about the ID.7, then the tailgate is about as vertical as your mum after 18 pints of vodka.)
Saloon: 4 doors, plus a completely separate luggage compartment (sometimes with a small hatch in the middle to allow longer loads - e.g. skis)
SUV: higher ground clearance, rugged, 4 wheel drive and off-roading capabilities
Crossover: looks like an SUV, but is basically just a hatchback on stilts. Off-roading capabilities limited to parking on the kerb across random peoples' driveways on the school run.

Yes there are hatchbacks which look like saloons, think Mondeos/Octavia/Superb etc. (which do also come in saloon variants), but if you can climb through the boot to access the cabin, then it's still a hatchback.
 
Haggisman said:
It's definitely not a saloon.

This. It's a hatchback.

The definitions are pretty clear:

Hatchback: 5 doors; the boot is part of the main cabin (may have a parcel shelf or other temporary barrier, but still fully accessible from the cabin).
Estate: 5 doors; a hatchback with a (near) vertical tailgate. Floor area/shape in the boot is often the same as the hatchback version of the same car, but the vertical tailgate gives more load space (OK, maybe there's some ambiguity as to at which point "near vertical" delineates the difference between hatchback and estate, but if we're talking about the ID.7, then the tailgate is about as vertical as your mum after 18 pints of vodka.)
Saloon: 4 doors, plus a completely separate luggage compartment (sometimes with a small hatch in the middle to allow longer loads - e.g. skis)
SUV: higher ground clearance, rugged, 4 wheel drive and off-roading capabilities
Crossover: looks like an SUV, but is basically just a hatchback on stilts. Off-roading capabilities limited to parking on the kerb across random peoples' driveways on the school run.

Yes there are hatchbacks which look like saloons, think Mondeos/Octavia/Superb etc. (which do also come in saloon variants), but if you can climb through the boot to access the cabin, then it's still a hatchback.
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My Polestar 2 is apparently a fastback.









I don’t know what this means.
 
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Haggisman said:
It's definitely not a saloon.
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You missed my later comment:
I do agree with the hatch/saloon confusion, this happens often, but we know what they mean..
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Haggisman said:
Hatchback: 5 doors; the boot is part of the main cabin (may have a parcel shelf or other temporary barrier, but still fully accessible from the cabin).
Estate: 5 doors; a hatchback with a (near) vertical tailgate. Floor area/shape in the boot is often the same as the hatchback version of the same car, but the vertical tailgate gives more load space (OK, maybe there's some ambiguity as to at which point "near vertical" delineates the difference between hatchback and estate, but if we're talking about the ID.7, then the tailgate is about as vertical as your mum after 18 pints of vodka.)
Saloon: 4 doors, plus a completely separate luggage compartment (sometimes with a small hatch in the middle to allow longer loads - e.g. skis)
SUV: higher ground clearance, rugged, 4 wheel drive and off-roading capabilities
Crossover: looks like an SUV, but is basically just a hatchback on stilts. Off-roading capabilities limited to parking on the kerb across random peoples' driveways on the school run.
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Sadly, no, it's not clear at all.. the other common definitions are around the 'box design'.. which is what leads to the confusion and why we have fastback, liftback and other terms for cars that the media/journo's still label as a saloon..

A saloon car is a type of car that follows a distinct 'three-box' design principle (especially when looked at from the side profile) whereby the three main proportions of the car are 'separate'. These are the engine, the passenger compartment and the boot
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I am fine with liftback, fastback, sports back, saloon or even hatchback.. I don't have an issue with someone following the 3 box design and calling it a saloon (as do the vast majority of the media/journo's)..
 
Demon said:
Sadly, no, it's not clear at all.. the other common definitions are around the 'box design'.. which is what leads to the confusion and why we have fastback, liftback and other terms for cars that the media/journo's still label as a saloon..

I am fine with liftback, fastback, sports back, saloon or even hatchback.. I don't have an issue with someone following the 3 box design and calling it a saloon (as do the vast majority of the media/journo's)..
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I put as much stock in the media/journalist opinion of the definition as I do my dog's. Their job is to tell their readers what they want to hear, so if they think their readers want a saloon, then facts be damned, they'll give them a saloon.

Edit: just to clarify, my dog can't actually talk, so her ability to give an opinion is limited to whimpering, licking, mooing and yawning. That's still an improvement over most media content.
 
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Haggisman said:
I put as much stock in the media/journalist opinion of the definition as I do my dog's. Their job is to tell their readers what they want to hear, so if they think their readers want a saloon, then facts be damned, they'll give them a saloon.

Edit: just to clarify, my dog can't actually talk, so her ability to give an opinion is limited to whimpering, licking, mooing and yawning. That's still an improvement over most media content.
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The 'box design' philosophy isn't a journo's construct btw, it's a design construct..

You say 'facts' but the facts are these terms are just victims of the times they were originally conceived and over time the lines have been suitably blurred with hatches put on cars that follow the 3 box design..

Lucky me in being able to read between the lines and be chilled about it..
 
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I think the manufacturers realised people liked the style and size of a saloon but with the additional practicality of hatchbacks (and arguably styling too - A4 vs A5 Sb, 3 Series vs 4 Series GC), so we're seeing a lot more 'liftback' style cars now.
 
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Simon said:
Already said. It’s a gran coupe. This is what BMW call it
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Where wers we were in any disagreement with that, however you also called it a saloon: "Not a typical hatchback shape, it's a saloon with a bigger boot to make it more useful but attacking the rear window to the boot" :rolleyes:
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