Buying used in 2023

That fills me with fear that. Did the lane assist think that the centre line of the road was the left side of your lane and try to keep you in it!? What did you do? Did you have to just force it hard to the point it gives up trying to assist?
Yep that's exactly what I had to do, proper 'brown moment', I understand it on the motorway as you "should" indicate to change lanes but I've never indicated after overtaking on a B road as it's sort of a given you'd be going back over to your side of the road.
 
Yep that's exactly what I had to do, proper 'brown moment', I understand it on the motorway as you "should" indicate to change lanes but I've never indicated after overtaking on a B road as it's sort of a given you'd be going back over to your side of the road.

What if you have to quickly evade something. It will drive you straight in to it. Nothing should be over-riding the driver's control.
 
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I've never driven a car with a lane assist system that wouldn't let you override it with a deliberate meaningful steering action.

If you have to quickly evade something, then evade it.
 
Yep that's exactly what I had to do, proper 'brown moment', I understand it on the motorway as you "should" indicate to change lanes but I've never indicated after overtaking on a B road as it's sort of a given you'd be going back over to your side of the road.
I've had it try to guide me back on my side of the line and into parked cars. It's not really hard to override though, is it?
 
I've had it try to guide me back on my side of the line and into parked cars. It's not really hard to override though, is it?

I would hope not. It would have to be easily overridden by weak, pensioners for example. I would think that in certain emergency events it could be confusing enough to add an extra thing to have to overcome both physically and mentally, adding time on to avoiding the danger, increasing risk of accident. I don't like it.
 
Thread is getting a little off the original post but yeah lane assist is easy to over-ride and more of a hint than anything but in a situation where you might not expect it, etc. it can be outright dangerous in my opinion, especially in a situation where you don't have much margins.

I've mixed feelings on this as I'm generally dead against systems which can impose to any degree like this which lack full real world context awareness but so far my experiences with forward collision assistance systems has been positive - working almost perfectly aside from sometimes disabling themselves in heavy rain/fog which is one situation they would be most useful, but there are some newer models people are not so happy - even rejected cars because of it being glitchy.
 
...starting to think this is why I keep cursing people for driving near the middle of some roads coming the other way.

Electric I'd considered, but in all honesty, we don't do milage that warrants one, all I really wanted was relatively quick engine, cruise control and that's pretty much it.
Ok, so to steer back on topic, why a VAG 1.5? I gather a combination of power, mpg etc?

I personally would have considered a 1.5 Vtec civic. But that could just be because the newest car I ever bought was a 4 year old Golf and it had circa £3000 worth of repairs in the few years I owned it. (it was a Diesel, however, if you look at the reliability of the engine I nearly bought in a Golf GT, the 1.4 Turbo and super charged engine, I got off lightly!)

I would start looking at things with the longest remaining warranty. Or cheapest extended warranty if it is a manufacturer that only gives 3 years.
 
I should be excited, but the experience so far of buying a used car in 2023 is an absolute nightmare.

I've had our cars for 16+ years, sadly one of them has to go due to body work but they've both been flawless in that time.

Prices are through the roof because of the ol' pandemic which is one thing, but that's just timing.

The thing I'm REALLY struggling with is having whittled us down to a 1.5 TSI engine after an age, only to find that people have had a nightmare with them kangarooing so a 2018 low mileage car, at a good price, having had 3 owners just seems beyond suspect.

They would be the 3 VAG group variations of car my wife's after too and due to mileage we do diesels are out.

Have the prospect of dropping 15k over god knows how many years on a total lemon, not fun!

Then there's the "software" updates, I long for the old days of four wheels, a good engine, the luxury of Aircon and cruise control and little else

I'm hearing tech causing so many problems, from bad engine performance, through to cars braking on motorways due to faulty radar etc. Not only is it daunting it's terrifying.


I feel your pain, I bought a used car at the start of the year. When my trusted Passat started to cost the me an arm and leg due the mileage and age. I ended up buying a car for a lot more money than I really wanted to. Prices have come down a little specially some diesels thanks to the ULEZ from the looks of it.
Tech causing issues haven’t experienced that in my new car yet. But I have in some of the pool cars at work. Had a Volvo v90 what is a good car, break out whilst on a dual carriage way. Was going following the road round a bend, that also had slip road coming off it. There was a car in front, plenty of space between us they went off the slip road and they started to break. The Volvo slammed the breaks on, so did the lorry behind me who decided to honk its horn at us.
Regarding some of the tech, on modern cars. As good, as some of it is, can be bloody expensive when it goes wrong. One guy at work told me he needed to have he radar cruise control recalibrated and cost a lot on top of the job that carried out.
 
Have just bought myself a 2018 Astra 1.6T. It has optional lane assist, though, I don't know if it stays off by default once you've turned it off. They're around £11-12k for a nice example with low mileage.
 
I should be excited, but the experience so far of buying a used car in 2023 is an absolute nightmare.

I've had our cars for 16+ years, sadly one of them has to go due to body work but they've both been flawless in that time.

Prices are through the roof because of the ol' pandemic which is one thing, but that's just timing.

The thing I'm REALLY struggling with is having whittled us down to a 1.5 TSI engine after an age, only to find that people have had a nightmare with them kangarooing so a 2018 low mileage car, at a good price, having had 3 owners just seems beyond suspect.

They would be the 3 VAG group variations of car my wife's after too and due to mileage we do diesels are out.

Have the prospect of dropping 15k over god knows how many years on a total lemon, not fun!

Then there's the "software" updates, I long for the old days of four wheels, a good engine, the luxury of Aircon and cruise control and little else

I'm hearing tech causing so many problems, from bad engine performance, through to cars braking on motorways due to faulty radar etc. Not only is it daunting it's terrifying.

Yea modern cars are ****.

It's almost like they are designed so that we have to replace them more often.....
 
Maybe I've missed it in the discussion, but you've decided on a specific vag engine that you want, but don't know what car to get?

Essentially I'm struggling dropping from an 05 1.8T and 06 2.0 down to the 1.5T / 1.4T engines. I've driven two now, and although both have been nice cars (Golf, A3) the pickup, lag at roundabouts does have me concerned specifically with the Mrs driving as we're both used to being able to easily take off without issue.

Thing is, you rule out those engines, it's a massive proportion of them on the market, and most seem to be saying they're lemons because of the hesitation, and resultant fix VAG put out, then blamed on the 'characteristics' of the engine.

The second factor, outside of that, is just the frustration with the overcomplication of many out there. Happy with cruise, Aircon, that's it, don't want lane assists and all that messing around, I'm actually quite happy to have a manual handbrake, don't need radar cruise etc. Just more to go catastrophically wrong.

Like an earlier post mentioned, it's like they're intentionally designed have a limited use so everyone is on the PCP bandwagon constantly cycling through cars at cost because most will struggle to fix or maintain them anymore.

I'm actually starting to become concerned for many a traditional independent garage given the specialist kit, per manufacturer they're going to need to use too (e.g. timing kit for Audi belts etc)

Back on topic, went to see a 1.8T 15 plate Audi and it was battered, near 16k they wanted for it - brown coolant so the silica bag has already had it, terrible paintwork etc.

...there are a fair few 1.4-1.5T A3 and Golfs coming up, but they're all around the kangaroo fault time with 1-2 owners at most and sub 40k on the clock which keeps making me think people have tolerated it, had enough and shifted it through a trade in and took the hit.
 
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Essentially I'm struggling dropping from an 05 1.8T and 06 2.0 down to the 1.5T / 1.4T engines. I've driven two now, and although both have been nice cars (Golf, A3) the pickup, lag at roundabouts does have me concerned specifically with the Mrs driving as we're both used to being able to easily take off without issue.

Thing is, you rule out those engines, it's a massive proportion of them on the market, and most seem to be saying they're lemons because of the hesitation, and resultant fix VAG put out, then blamed on the 'characteristics' of the engine.

The second factor, outside of that, is just the frustration with the overcomplication of many out there. Happy with cruise, Aircon, that's it, don't want lane assists and all that messing around, I'm actually quite happy to have a manual handbrake, don't need radar cruise etc. Just more to go catastrophically wrong.

Like an earlier post mentioned, it's like they're intentionally designed have a limited use so everyone is on the PCP bandwagon constantly cycling through cars at cost because most will struggle to fix or maintain them anymore.

I'm actually starting to become concerned for many a traditional independent garage given the specialist kit, per manufacturer they're going to need to use too (e.g. timing kit for Audi belts etc)

Back on topic, went to see a 1.8T 15 plate Audi and it was battered, near 16k they wanted for it - brown coolant so the silica bag has already had it, terrible paintwork etc.

...there are a fair few 1.4-1.5T A3 and Golfs coming up, but they're all around the kangaroo fault time with 1-2 owners at most and sub 40k on the clock which keeps making me think people have tolerated it, had enough and shifted it through a trade in and took the hit.

Take a look at the 2016-2019 1.6T Astra's. 200bhp, limited technology and can get a nice example for £12k. Leon's, Focus, Golf, Mazda 3, Volvo V40 all worth looking at too.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread with this comment, but wow not being able to perma-disable lane assist in newer models is shocking if true. That’s a hard no from me, too annoying to bother with.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread with this comment, but wow not being able to perma-disable lane assist in newer models is shocking if true. That’s a hard no from me, too annoying to bother with.

Wait until you can't disable the speed limiters and it picks up random 30mph signs from side roads
 
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