CA has done the worst DX12 port in Total Warhammer

[humbug]

lol.

When's the last time you truly used linux ? I'll guess late 90's

I do use it, there is a lot of work to do, like for example only being able to install software through an application which contains approved software and if your looking for something that isn't there and then get that from the internet invariably you spend half the day building installers, dependencies and finishing or fixing the code only to find that after hours of headache inducing stress with it at best it doesn't work or the next time you reboot the OS will never loads up again.

Installing upto date drivers on Linux requires you to have a level of software programming skills, and its a pain in the proverbial.

Also to think MS are bad for dictating terms, how about this one.
I install it on a dedicated drive entirely separate from my MS drive so that I can boot the dedicated Linux drive independently from the MS drive. So here's the thing, when I do I disconnect all other drives, if I don't what it does is delete the Microsoft MBR off the main drive (even tho its not going on that drive) and replace it with a fickle grub, when I upate the Linux OS I again disconnect all other drives because if I don't it will delete the MS MBR and replace it with its own and do it without my permission, if I simply let it have its way and it goes wrong, which does happen with Linux, I lose the ability not only to boot Linux but also windows because its replaced its MBR with its crap despite the fact that I told it to boot off a completely different drive.

Windows is Double click install > Use and it never goes wrong, no fuss, no programming degree required, no hours wasted trying to get the thing built compiled and installed...... it just works.

99% of home computer users do not know what Terminal is let alone what to do with it when they can't get something they are trying to install to work and someone on the internet gave them instructions.

99% of home users do not want instructions, they just want it to work by clicking on it, that is Windows and until the Linux Church understand that will they never be more than the 1%.

Sorry but...
On another day you may have caught me being a defender of Linux, but on general usability. it has a very long way to go.

 

[Poneros]

I'm fairly confident in my PC skills and I've been messing with Ubuntu recently on my chromebook but holy hell, I wouldn't use that ever again. Just way too much messing about for no real reason. aintnobodygottimeforthat.gif

 

[pete910]

*snip*

More lols...

off topic but,

Think what you are doing is what most windows users do, expecting it to do every thing the same way!

Regards approved software, That's what the official repos are for !

Up to date drivers!, well cant speak for nvidia but AMD is download , make exec, then double click.

or wait a day or 2 for the repos to sync then update when shown/asked

Regards overwriting mbr, Every distro from using lilo in the 90's has asked what drive you wish to install the boot loader so sorry I'm gona call pebcak.

Regards double click install, well You can have that one, I personally like the fact that anything downloaded has to be made executable before it's able to execute

btw, all the above is without touching a console

Now am not saying linux is perfect, far from it but most of what you are saying is basic miss understanding the differences between windows and linux.

* puts flame suit on
I'm with D.P on this, windows is a nightmare for me.
* takes flame suit off

 

[humbug]

More lols...

off topic but,

Think what you are doing is what most windows users do, expecting it to do every thing the same way!

Regards approved software, That's what the official repos are for !

Up to date drivers!, well cant speak for nvidia but AMD is download , make exec, then double click.

or wait a day or 2 for the repos to sync then update when shown/asked

Regards overwriting mbr, Every distro from using lilo in the 90's has asked what drive you wish to install the boot loader so sorry I'm gona call pebcak.

Regards double click install, well You can have that one, I personally like the fact that anything downloaded has to be made executable before it's able to execute

btw, all the above is without touching a console

Now am not saying linux is perfect, far from it but most of what you are saying is basic miss understanding the differences between windows and linux.

* puts flame suit on
I'm with D.P on this, windows is a nightmare for me.
* takes flame suit off

A typical Linux Church response, you don't understand it and pebcak meanwhile you don't see why its a tiny niche enthusiast minority.

 

[pete910]

A typical Linux Church response, you don't understand it and pebcak meanwhile you don't see why its a tiny enthusiast minority.

Typical windows Church response, I don't understand it so it must be bad/wrong....

Works both ways.

Never said that it wasn't a niche os, but the enthusiast bit it wrong, My own parents use it daily and there in the 60's +

Still doesn't detract from the fact I was right in response to your example's

 

[tommybhoy]

And this guy here doesn't have a ****ing clue about most of what you are both talking about, leaving me with the lasting impression of **** that ****, I'll stick to windows thanks very much.

 

[passifid]

Typical windows Church response, I don't understand it so it must be bad/wrong....

Works both ways.

Never said that it wasn't a niche os, but the enthusiast bit it wrong, My own parents use it daily and there in the 60's +

Still doesn't detract from the fact I was right in response to your example's

windows will always win, there is a simple reason, a computer is a tool.
No matter how much better one tool is than another unless you have to use it professionally it has to be easy enough to learn to use.
ease of use is king
windows works, and not only that but it is intuitive for 99% of the computer using populations needs. Linux might not be much harder, it might only loose a few thousand programs and tens of thousands of drivers, but why take the risk if all you do is game, use facebook, write reports etc. if you can do all that on windows as easily as linux but without having to spend 3-4 more hours on setup and looking at wikis then windows wins, because for most people computers are a small part of their lives which is wanted to be as easy as possible. my grandmother doesn't worry about her boot times or how much ram she uses, but she sure does forget how to use her video editing software, having to make a EXE executable is a cool idea but for people who don't care or understand computers and want to instead use them it's a turn off
however for a LOT of professional server applications linux will be better (but thats not for most people)

i will fully admit i tried linux 6 years ago, decided since i write reports, read microsoft suite files, game(a lot) and don't really need the extra light OS it's not worth using linux for me. i feel most people who used both and are not in software professionally are the same ( i know many of my friends are)

 

[smogsy]

Best thing about this thread

people are looking at the most well known badly coded franchises in history & saying X vendor is doomed? Lol

Total War is known for: Bad coding, bad optimization, terrible bugs, terrible patches and such

lets wait till we see something from a real developer
Vavle
Blizzard
cdj projects red

then lets talk

/thread over

 

[Kaapstad]

Best thing about this thread

people are looking at the most well known badly coded franchises in history & saying X vendor is doomed? Lol

Total War is known for: Bad coding, bad optimization, terrible bugs, terrible patches, terrible SLI, awful Crossfire, lazy programming and such

lets wait till we see something from a real developer
Vavle
Blizzard
cdj projects red

then lets talk

/thread over

Fixed.

 

[Baboonanza]

Can anyone tell me what affect the DX12 path has on CPU utilisation in Warhammer? Particularly on the world map the game in DX11 just hammers a single core. Has this been improved?

I'd check myself but my gaming PC is currently in pieces

 

[Nutella33]

Can anyone tell me what affect the DX12 path has on CPU utilisation in Warhammer? Particularly on the world map the game in DX11 just hammers a single core. Has this been improved?

I'd check myself but my gaming PC is currently in pieces

been equal loading since release on my 8370.

Spoiler

DX12 just seems to loose about 5fps off the top but a smoother experience for me.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

I do use it, there is a lot of work to do, like for example only being able to install software through an application which contains approved software and if your looking for something that isn't there and then get that from the internet invariably you spend half the day building installers, dependencies and finishing or fixing the code only to find that after hours of headache inducing stress with it at best it doesn't work or the next time you reboot the OS will never loads up again.

Installing upto date drivers on Linux requires you to have a level of software programming skills, and its a pain in the proverbial.

The best thing Microsoft ever did was come up the Portable Executable (PE) format. Download a single file, double click, bam it installs whether its XP, Seven, 10. Try and do the same thing on Linux, nada. There is simply no equivalent of the PE. You end up looking for it on repo's which are invariably out of date or end up having to compile it yourself. If you ever lift the hood so to speak, you'll find Linux a lot more forgiving than Windows which is why it appeals to programmers but on the surface, as a product thats easy to interface with, and plain just works, Microsoft got it spot on. I don't even like Microsoft as a company, but business is, well, business.

 

[humbug]

The best thing Microsoft ever did was come up the Portable Executable (PE) format. Download a single file, double click, bam it installs whether its XP, Seven, 10. Try and do the same thing on Linux, nada. There is simply no equivalent of the PE. You end up looking for it on repo's which are invariably out of date or end up having to compile it yourself. If you ever lift the hood so to speak, you'll find Linux a lot more forgiving than Windows which is why it appeals to programmers but on the surface, as a product thats easy to interface with, and plain just works, Microsoft got it spot on. I don't even like Microsoft as a company, but business is, well, business.

Yeah agreed, there no doubt its great for programmers.

I would like to see a domestic users alternative to Windows and i do find it frustrating that a lot of Linux people seem to think its just as user friendly as Windows, often think its even more user friendly.

To use a hypercritical test.

Can my Mother get along with an OS editing pictures and videos, updating drivers, the OS its self, installing and uninstaling software ecte...
See how easy she finds it?

Windows, no problem, it just does what she wants it to do.

Linux, she is phoning me up constantly, often frustrated... eventually i take a trip up there and find the whole thing completely knackered.

Until Linux pepole who want a Domestic alternative to Windows accept and deal with that it will never be more than a play thing for the curious.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Removed.