Call to ban 'human cockfighting'

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It was only a matter of time really - but since I never get to watch these, are they often held in this country? If they were banned, would that also affect the screening of these fights?

I have to say the UFC/Pride fights interest me, but I often thing "ouch!", especially when people like Mauricio (Shogun?) Rua stamp on peoples' heads while they're on the floor. Surely that's gotta leave a mark.

I'm not in favour of a ban, because I think people have a choice, it's not like they're forced into the fight/ring - they know the risks.
However, it's not something I think I'd ever subject myself to, even though I'm a double-hard ******* ;)
 
Maybe the BMA should worry about binge drinkers and the current level of obesity in our country instead of fighters who give there lives to become the pinnacle of human conditioning.


"The BMA said there had been only one reported death in Ultimate Fighting Championship bouts since it emerged in 1993. "

That death wasn't even in a sanctioned event and the fighter was never medically cleared to fight :(
 
its only as dangerous as boxing to be fair. great athletes and the events are generally entertaining which cant be said of boxing at this moment in time.
 
tom_nieto said:
They're not forced to fight, it's completely up to them. Unlike forcing animals to fight because they don't know better, humans can make rational decisions.
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Well, mostly :)

Although I'd bet there is the odd person who gets forced into a fight for whatever the reason, or maybe I watch too many films...
 
Kyle009 said:
its only as dangerous as boxing to be fair. great athletes and the events are generally entertaining which cant be said of boxing at this moment in time.
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The BMA also want boxing banned, and have done for a long time.

I don't agree with them, people should be free to partake in whatever they want. The only thing I would force is MMA fighters to have sufficient insurance cover so we don't pick up the bill if something goes wrong.
 
I personally dont agree with foot stomps, soccer kicks and knee's to the head of a downed opponent. The UFC has banned these techniques but in Pride they were used regularly but still no fighter has been terminally hurt.

There are 2 types of mma fan. The fan who just wants to see bloodshed and a brutal knockout or the fan who respects skill, devotion and heart each warrior brings into the ring.

link to the death http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Dedge

It is said boxing is more dangerous in theory due to the continual blows to the head and the 10 count. Once a mma fighter can no longer intelligently defend himself the fight is stopped unlike boxing where the boxer has 10 seconds to recover and take another beating.
 
I remember Tra Telligman got KO'd by Tim Sylvia a couple of years ago. He was taken out on a stretcher and then some stupid rumour surphased that he'd died :rolleyes:

Which of course, he hadn't he was alive and well.

The only death in MMA I think was Douglas Dedge... there actually vids of this on the internet. But as said, it was a completely unsanctioned fight. I don't think it was even inside a cage. There's never been a death in the UFC, Pride, or Pancrase or any other MMA Competition.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Dedge


edit:
bah slightly beaten to it :p
 
XZiBIT said:
I personally dont agree with foot stomps, soccer kicks and knee's to the head of a downed opponent. The UFC has banned these techniques but in Pride they were used regularly but still no fighter has been terminally hurt.
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Agree with you totally. Thats one of the major reasons I've never managed to get into watching Pride. The soccer style kicks, stomps to the head etc... It's a little too brutal at times. I've watched a few fights, but I'd rather watch UFC.

But still, it's held within the rules and as you said nobody has been seriously injured.
 
I used to like UFC in its early days, despite how tought the fighters are, it was much tougher then.
Pride is much more entertaining as it's rougher, although I'm pretty sure that used to be tougher too.
 
Well.. pride along with it's (better imo) ruleset is gone now anyway, so we won't be seeing any soccer kicks or stomps anymore.

I was under the impression that boxing and thai/kick boxing were much harder sports on the body due to the harder and more cushioned blows, which means in boxing you've got to punch someone in the head maybe 100 times, whereas in mma with the small gloves, one really good connection equals lights out.

I think a lot of boxing matches are way more brutal. I can see elbows getting banned one day, due to the number of cuts they can cause.
 
NokkonWud said:
I used to like UFC in its early days, despite how tought the fighters are, it was much tougher then.
Pride is much more entertaining as it's rougher, although I'm pretty sure that used to be tougher too.
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No, im watching early Pride atm, the fights were all rpetty tame and poor actually, especially in comparison to early UFC - where headbutts were legal.

Gracie guard+headsbutts = 2 mangled up fighters.

pride is/was moe entertaining aftre about pride 16-20 id say when shockwave and the heavyweight grand prix's began in ernst.

Is pride actually finished now? i notice there doesnt seem to be any events pencilled in? did it all end at pride 34??!!?
 
Nickg said:
Is pride actually finished now? i notice there doesnt seem to be any events pencilled in? did it all end at pride 34??!!?
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Didn't UFC buy Pride earlier this year? Around April/May ish...

I think they're finding it incredibly hard to get a TV deal in Japan with Pride, and theres talks of bringing Pride's major fighters into the UFC to fight.
 
This is a joke imo. In UFC fights are stopped as soon as people get knocked out, unlike boxing where people get knocked senseless, get up, get pummelled some more and continue until they can't remember where their kids go to school. All the athletes know what is involved in competing in MMA and this is a case of the nanny state imo.
 
nikebee said:
Didn't UFC buy Pride earlier this year? Around April/May ish...

I think they're finding it incredibly hard to get a TV deal in Japan with Pride, and theres talks of bringing Pride's major fighters into the UFC to fight.
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yea UFC bought pride but i thought they were going to run them both one in JPN one in the US?

yes the best Pride fighters are now transitioning to UFC but what about the rest of the pride roster?!

not sure how they can find it hard to get a JPN tv deal because pride has been broadcast for about 9 years.

hmm sometimes in Pride/UFC one guy gets KO'ed but then gets hit again on the canvas before the ref can jump in, ive seen Cro Cop guilty of this on lots of occasions.
 
Nickg said:
yea UFC bought pride but i thought they were going to run them both one in JPN one in the US?

yes the best Pride fighters are now transitioning to UFC but what about the rest of the pride roster?!

not sure how they can find it hard to get a JPN tv deal because pride has been broadcast for about 9 years.

hmm sometimes in Pride/UFC one guy gets KO'ed but then gets hit again on the canvas before the ref can jump in, ive seen Cro Cop guilty of this on lots of occasions.
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Yeah I think the original idea was to run them side by side, Pride in Japan and UFC in the US as you said. I do remember hearing something about Pride being merged with one of UFC's sister companies, but whether or not this is bull-yang or not I'm not sure.

I'll see if I can dig up anything from google on the TV deal.

It is often the case that a KO in MMA means they guy will get knocked down and more than often you'll see the other fighter pounce on them and follow up with a few stiff shots to make sure; just before, or just as the referee is jumping in to stop the fight.

Surely this can be excused though, I mean if your in a battle where your main objective is to win... you've hit him and you wanna make sure he stays hit. To be fair, as soon as the ref calls the stoppage or goes between the fighters thats it - nothing more happens.

I'll agree with many of the posts here about it not quite as bad as boxing as far as a sustained beating goes.

We all remember the Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan fight surely?
If you don't, the fight was brutal... and as a result of (IMO) poor refereeing McClellan has been left blind, almost completely deaf, can no longer walk, was in a coma for weeks and has hardly any short term memory.
 
Pride is totally gone, I doubt UFC will make it in japan either, i've heard that some of the guys involved with pride bushido are going to start something new in japan.

Also in my opinion rugby is more violent and will get you more injuries..
 
Sutters said:
Pride is totally gone, I doubt UFC will make it in japan either, i've heard that some of the guys involved with pride bushido are going to start something new in japan.

Also in my opinion rugby is more violent and will get you more injuries..
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oh no. i guess it really was the only way the UFC could get their hands on the pride belts:/ (anyone who;'s seen Total elimination 2003/Final conflict 2003 will understand)

from wiki;

Recent remarks by UFC President Dana White however cast doubt as to what the new owners will actually do with PRIDE. After the sale officially closed on May 25, 2007, White remarked that he planned on bringing PRIDE's biggest names into UFC competition instead of keeping them in PRIDE and that they were still deciding on what to do with PRIDE itself.[16] In later comments made in August 2007, White expressed doubt that Zuffa can resurrect PRIDE in Japan, saying, "I’ve pulled everything out of the trick box that I can and I can’t get a TV deal over there with PRIDE. I don’t think they want us there. I don’t think they want me there."[17]

however there is no link to #17 in the footnote...
 
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