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I think the worst thing I ever ate, and for some reason I never learnt my lesson, was a chicken curry in the southern most part of Bangladesh. Man, that was grim. Definitely needed bung hole hose that evening.
 
dLockers said:
I think the worst thing I ever ate, and for some reason I never learnt my lesson, was a chicken curry in the southern most part of Bangladesh. Man, that was grim. Definitely needed bung hole hose that evening.
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It might have made you ill, but it still does not mean that an authentic curry has to be made with rotten meat.

@Psycho Sonny You should know this, is rotten meat and getting ill an essential part of an authentic Indian curry?
 
I'm 1/8th Indian therefore completely an authority on this. Also I have never been, but Mum has :P And she was told (by someone with Indian parents who live in India) not to eat anything except what she was served in the hotel, and only to drink bottled water. Otherwise she would probably get very ill indeed.

Which doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of local cuisine.
 
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You can throw all these articles and stats as much as you want, it doesn’t prove in any way whatsoever that all authentic Indian curries are made with off meat and will make you ill. Do you not realise how utterly moronic that viewpoint is?
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Sorry. Authentic Indian food doesn't have expiration dates.

Take my father buying rancid mangos covered in black pits from an Asian fruit and veg shop, and then when going back to complain being told 'Well they don't have expiration dates in India'.

They simply use any meat or veg whether it is fresh or rancid and simply don't care about food hygiene at all. There are zero food hygiene standards in Indian food compared to the West.

Food is simply never thrown away when it 'expires' by British standards in Indian food, it simply carries on being used with zero care about its safety. Unfortunately this is also the norm among first generation migrants from such countries with zero food hygiene standards.

This trend does not continue among Indian or any other such people that are raised and educated in the UK, by which point their food essentially becomes 'British', and cooked to western food hygiene standards as opposed to however it is made in any such countries with zero standards.
 
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BallistixOnZ490 said:
Sorry. Authentic Indian food doesn't have expiration dates.

Take my father buying rancid mangos covered in black pits from an Asian fruit and veg shop, and then when going back to complain being told 'Well they don't have expiration dates in India'.

They simply use any meat or veg whether it is fresh or rancid and simply don't care about food hygiene at all. There are zero food hygiene standards in Indian food compared to the West.

Food is simply never thrown away when it 'expires' by British standards in Indian food, it simply carries on being used with zero care about its safety.
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From what I understand, safety in general is not a big thing in India amongst the general populace. People routinely get hit and killed walking on the train tracks. Or falling off the top of buses, train carriages, etc.

But they also have wealthy middle and upper class castes. I doubt they'd be eating rotten meat.
 
robfosters said:
It might have made you ill, but it still does not mean that an authentic curry has to be made with rotten meat.

@Psycho Sonny You should know this, is rotten meat and getting ill an essential part of an authentic Indian curry?
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Majority of India historically doesn't eat meat and still doesn't today.

The reason why people get ill is there are no fridges or freezers apart from in top hotels and restaurants.

On top of that there is no clean water unless in a major city and again in a top hotel or restaurant.

You go to a street food vendor you have no idea how long that dead meat has been sitting there rotting away for and the water being used will make you sick.

I've had an uncle die young who had multiple kidney transplants and his son had a kidney transplant in his twenties. That's an affluent family who's profession is politics. As in what you would call an MP here. Yet they cannot get clean water. They filter their water out the tap then boil it before drinking and it's still not great. That shows you how bad it is.

Eating meat has taken off for rich folk in India but probably due to Western influences and probably British and mogul rule had a little influence as well. But authentic Indian food doesn't contain any meat at all tbh. Modern Indian food does and that's completely different from what you would call British Indian food made by takeaways and restaurants here.
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
Majority of India historically doesn't eat meat and still doesn't today.

The reason why people get ill is there are no fridges or freezers apart from in top hotels and restaurants.

On top of that there is no clean water unless in a major city and again in a top hotel or restaurant.

You go to a street food vendor you have no idea how long that dead meat has been sitting there rotting away for.

Eating meat has taken off for rich folk in India but probably due to Western influences and probably British and mogul rule had a little influence as well.
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I appreciate all that, but he’s saying that if the curry doesn’t make you ill, it’s not an authentic curry, and to me that’s bizarre rubbish.
 
robfosters said:
I appreciate all that, but he’s saying that if the curry doesn’t make you ill, it’s not an authentic curry, and to me that’s bizarre rubbish.
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I can't explain Ballistix point of view, as we all know, he is a bit special - but the tongue in cheek is that because hygiene is so poor and getting good quality food that doesn't make you ill can be a challenge (5 star hotels aside), an 'authentic' curry can only be one that makes you sick.

Part of this is because our stomachs aren't used to what they eat over there in addition to our bodies reaction to a higher quantity of impurities in the food.

Of course an authentic Indian doesn't make you sick. But eating in India can and does make you sick if you don't heed caution (or get lucky).

Street food sellers for example are prime examples of how to make yourself ill, but if you have to, eat the stuff like pani puree (however you spell it) as its deep fried.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Majority of India historically doesn't eat meat and still doesn't today.

Eating meat has taken off for rich folk in India but probably due to Western influences and probably British and mogul rule had a little influence as well. But authentic Indian food doesn't contain any meat at all tbh. Modern Indian food does and that's completely different from what you would call British Indian food made by takeaways and restaurants here.
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While some of this maybe true of the Northern states of India, its not true of the southern states. Most staple diets of various regions are based on whats abundantly available in that region. For eg. western coast staple diet is predominantly rice and fish ("curries",fried etc) due to the main livelihood being fishing and rice being easily grown. While India has the highest population eating vegetarian, the split of people eating meats vs those eating veg is probably very close (52%/48%). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43581122

As you said food standards are low and there are lot of street vendors selling food items that do not comply with any food regulation equivalent in the UK but if you go to decent restaurants then you would see the difference in preparations and food items used, so you have to be careful where you eat. Much like how you do get 0 food hygiene rated restaurants in the UK.

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I appreciate all that, but he’s saying that if the curry doesn’t make you ill, it’s not an authentic curry, and to me that’s bizarre rubbish.
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It is bizarre and based on a skewed view of standards being extrapolated based on their parents preparation of food.

One of the many reasons westerners are warned about the food there is also the amount of spices used in authentic Indian curries which can lead to the "being stuck on the toilet" part as its not a regular part of your diet. If you are suddenly exposed to foods being too spicy that your digestive system cant handle, then there are going to be consequences :D.
 
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BallistixOnZ490 said:
Sorry. Authentic Indian food doesn't have expiration dates.

Take my father buying rancid mangos covered in black pits from an Asian fruit and veg shop, and then when going back to complain being told 'Well they don't have expiration dates in India'.

They simply use any meat or veg whether it is fresh or rancid and simply don't care about food hygiene at all. There are zero food hygiene standards in Indian food compared to the West.

Food is simply never thrown away when it 'expires' by British standards in Indian food, it simply carries on being used with zero care about its safety. Unfortunately this is also the norm among first generation migrants from such countries with zero food hygiene standards.

This trend does not continue among Indian or any other such people that are raised and educated in the UK, by which point their food essentially becomes 'British', and cooked to western food hygiene standards as opposed to however it is made in any such countries with zero standards.
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This is total nonsense. Most fruit and vegetables that you buy in India will be grown locally and is as a result much fresher then what we would get in the UK.
Most people in India eat no meat, and those that do eat it much less regularly then us. So most of the foods that would be called "curry" here is vegetarian.
Depending where you live, you can buy refrigerated butchered meat just like in the UK. In more rural areas you are more likely to have a live chicken freshly butchered for a meal.

Ive visited India about 10 times.
I can only recall getting food poisoning once and it certainly wasn't from eating rotten meat!
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Theres some dispute over that it appears to be an original english word rather than an indian one a recipe from Henry VIII's kitchen mentions curry but its nothing to do with indian food it seems to be a word meaning to hash something together i.e. as in the saying to curry favour, to cook something up.
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The oldest known extant English cookery book is called "The Forme of Cury". In modern English, that would be something along the lines of "The Method of Cooking". So 'cury' was in use in English at least as far back as 1390, when that book was written. The most likely etymology is Latin->French->Norman->English. I don't know how medieval English people pronounced their word 'cury'. Maybe it was the same pronunciation as the modern English word 'curry'. Maybe it was with a longer 'u', a sound that nowadays we'd write as 'curey' or maybe as 'curie' due to a French influence stemming from the famous Curie family (4 nobel prize winners in just 2 generations of one family!)

My guess is that the modern English word 'curry' has roots in both the middle English word 'cury' and the Tamil word 'kari'. Mashing bits of languages together and anglicising the result is par for the course for English. You could describe the whole of modern English that way. It's not restricted to English, of course, but it does seem particularly widespread in English.
 
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