Can a switched on empty mains socket use power?

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I try to turn off and unplug anything that isn't in use just because I don't like the idea of energy or money going to waste, even if it would be on a tiny individual scale. I'm not saying we all should but taking time to ply/unplug things doesn't phase me personally.

However, when I reach the age of some of you folk I am sure my back will be playing up too :D
 
Assuming that's a sarcastic comment... Actually, turning off your gas supply at the meter could save gas. The internal gas pipes in your house aren't required to be 100% gas tight!! :eek:

source: I put in all the gas pipes when i refurbished my house and when a gas fitter came round to do a drop test he explained that new pipework must not leak more than 5% and existing must not leak more than 10% - mine leaked 0% :)

(i think the figures were actually millibars dropped during a 2 minute test, but the percentages are roughly equivalent from memory)

Not the best analogy I guess.

Is that 5-10% a day or shorter period of time?
 
Er, that doesn't matter. Its a percentage.

It does. If you lose 10% a second you lose 100% every 10 seconds (or if the gas in the pipes aren't replenished and assuming leakage rate is invariant with pressure, then 1-0.9^10=65%).

Leakage is measured as a rate. Any rate has to have a time period.
 
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It does. If you lose 10% a second you lose 100% every 10 seconds (or if the gas in the pipes aren't replenished and assuming leakage rate is invariant with pressure, then 1-0.9^10=65%).

Leakage is measured as a rate. Any rate has to have a time period.

No...if you're losing 10% a second, that's still 10% a minute, and 10% an hour.
 
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A Watt is already a measure of energy per hour....
No its not.

But... TV on standby on its own = 35 watts and hour.
Clever socket uses 0.4 watts an hour. That's 34.6 watts less.

Device costs £30 average annual cost of leaving TV etc on standby £80 so cost recoup time just under six months.

Yes, a Watt is a measure of energy per hour. Specifically it is 1/3600 Joule per hour. I used "per hour" because i was relating it to the wording in the article, but I am well aware of the proper SI units :rolleyes:

And as for TV or TV related equipment using 35 Watts in standby, that's maybe true if we were still in the 80's... Most people nowadays have a TV and a Bluray player (Satellite or cable isn't counted since it needs to be on to record), and those two will consume less than 2 Watts if they are relatively new. And you should only assume that they are on standby for 18 hours out of 24 really.

So 6 months? No way, more like 5 years :p
 
Rearding the gas regulations, i used 10% as an example figure because i couldn't remember the actual numbers. The actual drop test involves attaching a probe at the meter and turning on the gas supply. The probe should then read approx. 25mbar of pressure. The valve is shut off and the pressure is then read again after 2 minutes. In existing installations, the pressure is allowed to have dropped to 18mbar, and in new installations, it can only drop as far as 22mbar.

Or something resembling those figures anyway. Given that the gas will undergo fairly linear compression, that means that 10% to 25% of the gas will have escaped in 2 minutes (very roughly).

Don't shoot me down if i got the actual numbers wrong, this is all from memory, and my memory is appalling!
 
My girlfriend insists on turning everything off at the mains before leaving the flat (except the fridge) due to her paranoia about something shorting and starting a fire.

She says this stems from watching the scene in Fight Club where his flat blows up due to the pilot light in the boiler blowing out, the flat filling with gas and the compressor in the fridge flicking on and igniting the gas.

She doesn't like it when I point out the one thing we leave switched on is the fridge which is next to the boiler. :D
 
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