Can anything be done about speed bumps?

If you go slow it wont scrape if it is designed correcly.

A raised crossing thats 2m long between ramps provides enough distance to avoid this. The ones that scrape are the stupid little 500mm wide speed "thumps" where you straddle the obstruction. Good practice says these shouldn't be installed but guidance is just that....guidance unfortunately.

I would be willing to wager that the additional fuel used and its effect on the environment due to the implementation of speed bumps is negligable. Its the materials used in highways construction that cause the damage ;)

How slow though? They scrape even you go between 5-10mph.

The hump that I was talking about earlier looks a bit like this:

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^ Even has similar scrape marks.

I don't mind these too much as they are more forgiving to cars, I think thats what you were referring to possible by raised crossing?

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The hump that I was talking about earlier looks a bit like this........

Yeah those humps are unacceptable in my opinion as your car can straddle the hump and bottom out. If whoever had put them in had thought about it the hump could have been made longer to prevent this. If I remember correctly it is actually in the guidance about not installing a hump that can cause bottoming out.
 
If you were to go over an illegal speed hump and rip the sump off your car, could you claim for damages from the council or not?

The are some pretty monstrous bumps near me and in fact I now take a different route in order to avoid them as I'm sure they scrape no matter what speed I'm doing... Sometimes taking them at a funny angle can help though...
 
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If you were to go over an illegal speed hump and rip the sump off your car, could you claim for damages from the council or not?

The are some pretty monstrous bumps near me and in fact I now take a different route in order to avoid them as I'm sure they scrape no matter what speed I'm doing... Sometimes taking them at a funny angle can help though...

Yes, if it was illegal. I have seem claims come in for people popping tyres on raised ironworks despite the signs being present so if there was a blatently illegal speed hump I dont see why not!

I wouldnt however recommend wrecking your car on one just to claim the repair bill ;)
 
Yes, if it was illegal. I have seem claims come in for people popping tyres on raised ironworks despite the signs being present so if there was a blatently illegal speed hump I dont see why not!

I wouldnt however recommend wrecking your car on one just to claim the repair bill ;)
I wouldn't dream of it! ;)

I'd rather the huge ones near me were reduced or removed anyway, as I would actually be able to get to where I wanted to go without having to avoid that road, so next time I'm there I'll break out the tape measure, I'm sure that they're more than 100mm tall....
 
Thanks for the help people, the are 35 "speed cushions" on this road and every one is above regulation height. Also the ramps on this new raised section are too short/steep and the section is too high. Now how to go about ranting to the council about it lol...


The limit is there to prevent you from exceeding that figure not to give you target.

Actually its there to do both (conditions allowing) hence why you can fail a driving test for going too slow and can be given a fine and points for doing greatly under the limit in a vehicle capable of sustaining it.


Looking at the google street view link you provided the raised crossing is installed right outside a school where small children/parents with buggies will frequently need to cross the carriageway. I would consider this an appropriate location for such a crossing to improve the safety of pupils and parents accessing the school.

No offence meant but its planners assuming things like that that are making our road system a joke. Why is it needed when the hasn't been a single accident or near miss on this road since time began? The school in question is actually for mentally impaired adolescent children so no small children or buggies are involved, they are not allowed out unsupervised and even if they escape they would be unable to operate a public crossing anyway.


I would be willing to wager that the additional fuel used and its effect on the environment due to the implementation of speed bumps is negligable.

Don't wager too much then, when speed bumps are deployed on a road fuel consumption increases by 20%, CO emissions increase by 70–80%, Hydro-carbons by 70–100%, and CO₂ by 50–60%.


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Just found out that last night an ambulance responding to an emergency had its exhaust back box taken off by the raised crossing lol, guess the council will have already been informed of its non compliance by the FRS ^^
 
Put your email in to there head of transport and roads anyway include picture printouts showing how over the legal limit it is and that they all need to be fixed as a matter of priority.
 
Thanks for the help people, the are 35 "speed cushions" on this road and every one is above regulation height. Also the ramps on this new raised section are too short/steep and the section is too high. Now how to go about ranting to the council about it lol...
I would suggest not ranting but just writing a clear concise letter stating that the humps are unacceptable/illegal (if indeed they are) backed up with the research you have carried referencing the documents I posted abouve and any other sources you have found. There is normally a section on the website for posting complaints and suchlike for this exact situation. Remember they may have applied to have the humps installed at a greater height and been granted permision from the secretary of state however this is unlikely.


Actually its there to do both (conditions allowing) hence why you can fail a driving test for going too slow and can be given a fine and points for doing greatly under the limit in a vehicle capable of sustaining it.

Highlighted for clarity! ;)

No offence meant but its planners assuming things like that that are making our road system a joke. Why is it needed when the hasn't been a single accident or near miss on this road since time began? The school in question is actually for mentally impaired adolescent children so no small children or buggies are involved, they are not allowed out unsupervised and even if they escape they would be unable to operate a public crossing anyway.

No offence taken i'm not a planner ;) I'm an engineer! I get given the ideas to design and build! Do you really know there hasn't been a near miss or an accident? The council will know. If there are frequent disabled pedestrians crossing the road do you not think that motorists should be excercising a bit of extra caution as they may have impaired hearing/sight or just not look before crossing the road despite being supervised?

Don't wager too much then, when speed bumps are deployed on a road fuel consumption increases by 20%, CO emissions increase by 70–80%, Hydro-carbons by 70–100%, and CO₂ by 50–60%.

Fair shout! In regards to the road network as a whole it probably has little to no net effect though.

Don't think I'm in agreement with the scheme in question as I do not know enough about the area and the schemes history. I get given schemes to

Hopefully this will help you put together a constructive arguement againt the humps in question with some hard facts to back it up! At the same time it has given me a chance to be devils advocate and give a bit of an insight into what goes on on the other side of the fence.

Have fun battling with the council.
 
Sorry to drag this thread back up, but I'm undergoing a similar issue at the moment. The roads leading into and out of the estate where my mum lives are a 20mph limit and beset with the narrow, high crested humps discussed earlier in the thread. They're much narrower/taller (proportionally) than the ones shown in the Google maps photos above.

I emailed the council to say that my car bangs/scrapes over the top of them, no matter how slow I go, especially if I have rear seat passenger(s) and/or a full fuel tank. I stated that I understand the need for traffic calming in these residential areas (having three children to raise in the area myself), but that I felt the humps may be 'too' high as per the 1999 regs.

They are virtually at kerb height (not the low kerb type either), and clearly scraped on top, and I know I'm not the only resident experiencing these troubles. The reply, received today, is as follows:

I refer to your recent enquiry, seeking information relating to road humps within the (area), and wish to make the following comments.

These traffic calming measures were installed in 2003, at the request of residents, who were very concerned about vehicles rat running at speed through the estate, particularly those accessing the A580 East Lancashire Road.

Unfortunately, I am not able to provide you with a detailed list of measurements for each feature in that particular area, as the information is simply not available. However, I can advise that all traffic calming features within St Helens, are designed and constructed in accordance with national guidance and specifications at the time, and if negotiated at an appropriate speed, should not cause any significant problems. Indeed, many of these features have been in place for nearly ten years now, and I am not aware of any similar such problems.

Evidence suggests that the schemes already in place within the Borough have been greatly successful in reducing vehicle speeds/”rat running”, and improving highway safety generally. There has already been a significant reduction in recorded injury accidents within the areas treated, and it is likely that more such schemes will be implemented in the future within the
Borough, as demand for such remains reasonably high.

Additionally, for information, there has historically been a consistency problem with the construction of such measures, as they are essentially formed by hand on site. There is a tolerance within which both the height and gradient of these features must be constructed, but occasionally in the past, adjacent features may have been constructed towards “each end” of the allowable tolerance, thus exaggerating the difference between individual features.

This is a national issue and not something unique to St Helens. As local Highway Authorities and Contractors gain more experience of implementing such schemes, consistency between individual features is greatly improving.

The Highways (Road Humps) Regulations 1996, and the more recent 1999 Regulations, specifies the legal requirements for the construction of such features, the maximum height of which should not exceed 100 mm. They are generally installed at 75 mm, but the allowable tolerance means that this height is sometimes exceeded. I am not aware of any exceeding the maximum permissible height (100mm.

If you require any more detailed information about such matters, I would advise you to refer to these regulations, which may be of interest to you.

I hope this helps to clarify matters for you.
Regards


Mr X
Head of Traffic Engineering
Traffic & UTC Consultancy.

So basically shut up and go away, and if I want more answers, read up for myself. Hardly constructive, and despite admitting not knowing their measurements (i.e. if they even comply with the law) they won't be going out to check. D'oh. :(
 
Rainmaker,
With that reply, I would take photos of the damaged humps, along with someone measuring the clearly oversized speed humps with a tape measure.

Take the pictures and that response to your local councillor and MP, and harass them both until the lazy smegheads actually do something about it.

If he isnt aware of ones that are over 100mm, take photos and provide locations!
 
@ Werewolf - Yeah, I am a Civil/Highways Engineer so have to deal with these sort of things a lot for my sins. The raised crossing will indeed be covered under the road hump regs. The only other regulations/guidance that this site would be subject to would be LTN 2/95 The Design of Pedestrian Crossings iirc and some other bits and bobs like the Traffic Signs Manual chapter 5 and the TSRGD to do with road markings and the like. *loser mode off*

I feel your pain there I work for a MAC, luckily working on the trunk roads means I don't have to deal with speed bumps.

Dammed if you do something dammed if you don't....
 
as said i don't see a problem if you drive over them at the speed your meant too
unless you have a car with lowered shocks

both my cars are quite heavily lowered. i struggle with loads of them

people following behind further struggle to comprehend a driver actually slowing down for these things* :D



*do live in essex though, lowest driving standards in the UK bar central london
 
IMO speed humps should not stop you doing the limit on the road without causing damage.
 
Rainmaker, how tall are your humps?

I honestly don't know, I haven't measured them. They're adjoining my mum's road, not near my house, so I'll have to take a ruler to them next time I'm visiting. I do know the crest of the humps isn't far off level with the pavement, which is pretty high to my mind.

Most of the humps don't actually cause any concern, it's the first one or two as you enter the road. As the road itself is on a gradient (though fairly slight) I'm wondering if this is having an impact. The front wheels go over no problem, but then you've got a LWB vehicle following from downhill (i.e. lower down compared to the hump, and the rest of the vehicle).

Wouldn't this make the crest of the hump artificially high, albeit slightly? Provided I go dead slow (1st gear, on the clutch) and don't have passengers or a full tank I can traverse it OK. But as soon as you add a bit of weight... :o
 
This thread seems to be going round and round in circles so i have written a little RPG type guide on what to do.

If you have a problem with any road humps in your area do the following:

1. Identify location and extent of potentially offending road humps and assess whether you:
a) Do have better things to do with your life? (go watch some tv or go to the pub etc...) or
b) Do not have better things to do with your life? (go to step 2)


2. WAIT! Before you unleash your poison pen on the offending local authority you do your reading up on the Regulations and Guidance (remember guidance is exacly that) available freely on the internet! www.dft.gov.uk, http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/conten...rentActiveTextDocId=0&activetextdocid=2718995 and www.google.com should get you started.
If you have:
a) Began reading the reams of monotonous, aneurism inducing do's and don'ts of road humps and it spurred you on to continue your noble crusade against them? (go to step 3).
b) Got half way through reading the first paragraph of LT1/07 and decided you needed a poo? (go back to step 1)


3. If you cant be arsed to read up on the regulations associated signs/road markings and what locations they can/cannot be installed, like most people invariable cannot, then a good starting point is to measure their height.
If you then:
a) still have the will to live having realised you are obsessing about speed humps get out in the street with your keyboard and tape measure and measure those humps? (go to step 4)
b) decide you have better things to do! (go to http://www.flushtracker.com/index.php and track that poo you just did or return to step 1 and reassess the situation)


4. Having been out and looked like a loser with said tape measure recording the height of speed humps in your spare time your results determine the next step.
If they are:
a) >100mm high its illegal (go to step 5)
b) <100mm high either: (return to step 2 if you are really that adamant they should not be there and find something else wrong with the traffic calming set up (lets face it if you have got this far your pretty persistant) or have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up)


5. CONGRATULATIONS WINRAR! Having got to this stage you really have proved that you are a champion of the militant public highway haters there is only one way forward from here and thats tank tops and thermos flasks.
Get on your pc and write a stongly worded letter to your local highway authority detailing how you have spent countless hours reading up on the road hump regs and guidance in your spare time and that in your opinion the traffic calming measures on XXXX street should not be there. You can now live knowing that you did your bit to make this world a slightly better place whilst awaiting the inevitable half assed letter detailing how you missed a part of the regs or that they really couldnt give a rats ass.

I realise that it is just as sad as the above digs to have sat here for a period writing this but at least this will entertain somebody hopefully!
 
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