can i get christened at 23?

Psyk said:
True, but religion isn't the only way to teach those things.
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However true that may be, spirituality cannot be bought from Tescos, so where else can we be expected to look for guidance but the Scriptures and teachings of religion? They have been specialists in it for years.

Even more modern thinkers such as Alan Watts who incorporated psychology and Science into his work, still based what he taught on main stream Eastern religion.
 
BrightonBelle said:
It may be that poster is getting married to a CofE/Catholic girl and you have to get this done to get married... thats the only reason why that I can think of :/

BB x
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The other option is been a God parent.

You can't be a Godparent if you're not Baptised.
 
Roalith said:
... or you could just read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Plus there's the bonus of not having to get wet!
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Unfortunatly the man is a pretentious muppet, so i'd rather not thanks.

Each to their own I say.

Have a think about how the known universe works and think again if you want to follow made up stories
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How is following God any more bizzare than believing (as the great Terry Pratchett wrote):

"in the beginning there was nothing... which exploded"
 
Ok, here's one for you...

God is supposedly Omniscient and Omnipotent, amirite so far?

How many people actually stop to think that the two are, in fact, mutually exclusive? Think about it. If God is all-knowing, then he knows exactly what he's going to be doing in the future. Whereas, if he is all-powerful, he can do anything he likes whenever he likes. But if he knows exactly what he's going to do through history...?
 
HeX said:
I don't remember Quantum Mechanics or General Relativity explaining conciousness and the concept of a soul either...
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Well, we could actually break into the subject of human consciousness and organic state being a quantum wavefront and so forth...
 
MookJong said:
Let me remind you that Newton and many other great minds have been Christians. This country was built on the foundation of Christian values.

Science is not a way to live, it cannot teach you morals, grace and inner peace.
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Utter rubbish; morality is inate to humans and many other animals. Grace and inner peice ? thats down to the individual, not random, totally and utterly made up story should 'teach' society on whats right/wrong.

What the deuce does newton PERHAPS being religious have to do with the question ? infact I read recently that all these great scientists often dismissed religion out of the public eye, very far ahead of there time

This country was built on a foundation of christian values? are YOU having a laugh mate ? mind you perhaps not............the bible is the MOST immoral and evil book iv ever read, the millions of people abused and killed to build up great briton is insane, millions of slaves used for one......

shall i carry on ? I LOVE debates on this subject but will only chat with people that have fairly good knowledge behind sweeping statements that people make
 
HeX said:
I don't remember Quantum Mechanics or General Relativity explaining conciousness and the concept of a soul either...
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The former is a collection of brain sequences and electrical impluses, and the latter can't be proven or even if we have a "soul" as the source of that is religious.
 
badbob said:
The former is a collection of brain sequences and electrical impluses, and the latter can't be proven or even if we have a "soul" as the source of that is religious.
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That doesnt explain conciousness though. There is no reason why inanimate matter should suddenly be able to realise it exists and interact with the universe of its own free will...

Its like saying if we mix some carbon with water and throw in a few other base elements and zap it with electricity we'll get a living organism...

Life and conciousness itself have never been explained by science.

Yes you can say the brain is just electrochemical impulses, but why does some electricity between the same atoms you find in everyday inanimate items suddenly mean its capable of thought and reasoning...
 
Combat squirrel said:
I LOVE debates on this subject but will only chat with people that have fairly good knowledge behind sweeping statements that people make
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Explain how this is in the Bible if it was made up by man.

Job 38:31
Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
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There is no way man would have known that back then, And if you look today, The stars are shifting just like written in the bible.


Just something to think about:)
 
Zip said:
There is no way man would have known that back then, And if you look today, The stars are shifting just like written in the bible.

Just something to think about:)
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The actual quotation is:

Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion? ”
— Job 38:31

The answer you're looking for is interpretation. That quotation absolutely does not state that the stars are shifting in any way, shape or form. It questions whether God is able to tie together the Pleiades, or untie Orion's belt.

If anything, that quotation suggests that the writer(s), translators, re-interpreters and other meddlers down through approximately 1700 years of Bibles believe that the stars are in a fixed position - because they ask if God can move them.

... wait, what? Did I just fall for a troll? :(
 
Combat squirrel said:
What the deuce does newton PERHAPS being religious have to do with the question ? .
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It relates to the question in the fact you asked the OP to look at what is known about the universe in a scientific sense. So my answer to that is that science cannot teach you spirituality just as spirituality cannot teach you science. Newton was a man of both.

infact I read recently that all these great scientists often dismissed religion out of the public eye, very far ahead of there time
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In some cases almost certainly true.

This country was built on a foundation of christian values? are YOU having a laugh mate ?
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I'm not "having a laugh mate", would you care to explain why you believe the values of Christianity are not the foundation of our society?

Combat squirrel said:
shall i carry on ? I LOVE debates on this subject but will only chat with people that have fairly good knowledge behind sweeping statements that people make
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By all means, as long as you think I'm capable of keeping up.
 
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Combat squirrel said:
Utter rubbish; morality is inate to humans and many other animals.
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Just thought I would pick this out - is morality innate? Morality really is subjective isn't it - people have different morals and usually form similar or the same morals through groups, or religions or such.

I have very different morals to people I live with, or my parents, but if it was innate surely I would "inherit" these morals through my parents genetically, or through nurture.

Animals possibly do have innate morality down to there level of consciousness, but we as humans have broke the boundaries of consciousness and also morality.

Perfect example of "innate" morality is honour killings of family members by Muslim families, by there morals and religion they are being morally positive and doing the right thing - but, by our religion (or just by our society with religion removed) that would be morally negative. Now if it was "innate" in people surely we would both see that as a positive, or negative thing? Not separate views?

Sorry to go all tangent-esque - I just like to read into philosophy and about morality etc etc.

Rich
 
Capn' $qu!ff said:
Yes you can get christened at any age however prepare for public embarresment as you'll have to get in a paddling pool in front of the entire congregation of the church
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That depends which Church you go to.

At my old church (boring old Church of England) adults are baptised by the Vicar simply wetting their forehead in the shape of a cross. Whatever Church you get it done at there's no reason to be embarrassed.
 
titchard said:
Perfect example of "innate" morality is honour killings of family members by Muslim families, by there morals and religion they are being morally positive and doing the right thing - but, by our religion (or just by our society with religion removed) that would be morally negative. Now if it was "innate" in people surely we would both see that as a positive, or negative thing? Not separate views?
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Just to point out that honour killings is a cultural phenomenon, not a religious one.
 
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