can police work out your speed from dash cam

Still speeding though isn't it? A friend of mine got done for not much over 70 in, I think, Cumbria, so now sets his cruise control to 71 there...

I highly doubt it would be Cumbria. They only enforce for speeds over 79mph on motorways and dual carriageways.
 
Still speeding though isn't it? A friend of mine got done for not much over 70 in, I think, Cumbria, so now sets his cruise control to 71 there...

Depends. They'd have to prove that you were actually speeding, and a video of your speedo showing 77mph wouldn't be enough evidence of that.
 
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Yes, s19 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act gives power of seizure.
Oh, it's a bit more restricted that that. It might give that power, depending on circumstances, but it certainly is not the case that you can waltz up to any vehicle and seize dashcams. For a start, s.19 requires you to be in the premises/vehicle lawfully, so in the absence of either consent or a warrant, you need some other statutory grounds. Even then, assuming you're relying on 19(3) you need reasonable grounds to believe it contains evidence and that seizure is necessary to prevent that evidence being lost, concealed, etc.

I know s.19 is a "general" power, but it has it's limits.
 
Oh, it's a bit more restricted that that. It might give that power, depending on circumstances, but it certainly is not the case that you can waltz up to any vehicle and seize dashcams. For a start, s.19 requires you to be in the premises/vehicle lawfully, so in the absence of either consent or a warrant, you need some other statutory grounds. Even then, assuming you're relying on 19(3) you need reasonable grounds to believe it contains evidence and that seizure is necessary to prevent that evidence being lost, concealed, etc.

I know s.19 is a "general" power, but it has it's limits.

If the vehicle has been seized, then they'll be a power of entry there. If it's not, it will justify an arrest for a s32 search of the vehicle if the driver is suspected of an offence.

I think it's pretty easy to justify that seizing the camera footage is necessary to prevent it being deleted or otherwise overwritten.
 
Still speeding though isn't it? A friend of mine got done for not much over 70 in, I think, Cumbria, so now sets his cruise control to 71 there...

I've had a few occasions where I have overtaken police cars on dual carriageways before that were doing 70 in the left lane and I was doing 75ish in the overtaking lane.
 
I was thinking more from an unrelated 3rd part point of view

Say there was a T junction and whilst at it you witnessed a very serious crash. You have a dash cam running. It just happens 15 secs down the road is an officer who it at the scene before you as an unrelated party have time to drive off. He comes to ask if you saw anything and then notices the cam and asks for the card in order to check for evidence.
Would refusing to hand over the card not be deemed withholding evidence?
 
Most do though.

yes, purely because if the motorist takes it to court, then this could be used as a defense, accuracy of speedo etc.

it would be a waste of tax payers money to go after this lot.

and I am aware that I am quoting a copper, hope I am right lol
 
yes, purely because if the motorist takes it to court, then this could be used as a defense, accuracy of speedo etc.

it would be a waste of tax payers money to go after this lot.

and I am aware that I am quoting a copper, hope I am right lol

A speedo can over read by upto 10% it cannot under read so by the time you've been flashed at 80 your speedo could be showing almost 90.
So you'll be well aware that you're peeing all over the limit.
 
Hi,
I have very Basic dash cam no gps or that sort of thing, I have reported a very dangerous school bus driver, I wouldn't normally do this but due to the fact he put kids in danger any how, I may have been doing a tad over 70 on the motor way and was wondering if they got a bit cleaver would they be able to work out my speed and do me as well?



You admit to speeding, which presents just as strong a danger to any of the vehicles around you. Including vehicles containing other people's children.

You're a hypocrite. Hand yourself in immediately. Would you not think of the children???.
 
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If the vehicle has been seized, then they'll be a power of entry there. If it's not, it will justify an arrest for a s32 search of the vehicle if the driver is suspected of an offence.

I think it's pretty easy to justify that seizing the camera footage is necessary to prevent it being deleted or otherwise overwritten.

If the vehicle has been seized, then they'll be a power of entry there. If it's not, it will justify an arrest for a s32 search of the vehicle if the driver is suspected of an offence.

I think it's pretty easy to justify that seizing the camera footage is necessary to prevent it being deleted or otherwise overwritten.
If.

And if.

But the question you quoted referred to

On a similar note. Anyone heard of any cases where an owners dashcam has been used against them as evidence?

I'm assuming that the police could quite easily confiscate one if they wanted it to assist with an incident.
So, I'm parked in a side road when a passing vehicle is hit by a another vehicle, perhaps a suspected drink driver, and my dashcam is pointed at the scene of the incident. I'm not involved in the incident at all. What are your s.19 grounds for lawfully being in my "premises", in the absence of warrant or consent, in order to seize property, and what grounds do you have for considering it "necessary" to seize, rather than seek voluntary cooperation?

Bear in mind, the same logic would apply if my premised were a fixed dwelling, and evidence were CCTV coverage.

Yes, s.19 gives you grounds IF the circumstances are right. It is not a blanket justification for seizing any and all dashams or CCTV equipment because you think it might contain evidence.

Then, there's potential for problems if either journalistic materials or legal privilege are issues, though those are going to be rare situations.

As I said, s.19 is a general power but it's more restricted than a simple yes, it gives police a power to seize. It depends on the situation.
 
i think the OP's problems are actually worse than he first imagened...

this clearly should have been posted in the Motors sub forum, ban plz...
 
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