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I highly doubt it would be Cumbria. They only enforce for speeds over 79mph on motorways and dual carriageways.
can police work out your speed from dash cam
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I highly doubt it would be Cumbria. They only enforce for speeds over 79mph on motorways and dual carriageways.
Depends. They'd have to prove that you were actually speeding, and a video of your speedo showing 77mph wouldn't be enough evidence of that.
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yes it is quite easy to work out your speed from a dash cam if there is a centre line on the road.
its just a simple maths equation.
its just a simple maths equation.
Oh, it's a bit more restricted that that. It might give that power, depending on circumstances, but it certainly is not the case that you can waltz up to any vehicle and seize dashcams. For a start, s.19 requires you to be in the premises/vehicle lawfully, so in the absence of either consent or a warrant, you need some other statutory grounds. Even then, assuming you're relying on 19(3) you need reasonable grounds to believe it contains evidence and that seizure is necessary to prevent that evidence being lost, concealed, etc.
I know s.19 is a "general" power, but it has it's limits.
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If you refused to hand over a dashcam would you not be at risk of withholding evidence?
That's quite a serious crime isn't it? Potentially trying to pervert the course of justice.
That's quite a serious crime isn't it? Potentially trying to pervert the course of justice.
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If the vehicle has been seized, then they'll be a power of entry there. If it's not, it will justify an arrest for a s32 search of the vehicle if the driver is suspected of an offence.
I think it's pretty easy to justify that seizing the camera footage is necessary to prevent it being deleted or otherwise overwritten.
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Generally, if there is a power to seize, then they'll also be a power to use force to enact that seizure.
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I've had a few occasions where I have overtaken police cars on dual carriageways before that were doing 70 in the left lane and I was doing 75ish in the overtaking lane.
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I was thinking more from an unrelated 3rd part point of view
Say there was a T junction and whilst at it you witnessed a very serious crash. You have a dash cam running. It just happens 15 secs down the road is an officer who it at the scene before you as an unrelated party have time to drive off. He comes to ask if you saw anything and then notices the cam and asks for the card in order to check for evidence.
Would refusing to hand over the card not be deemed withholding evidence?
Say there was a T junction and whilst at it you witnessed a very serious crash. You have a dash cam running. It just happens 15 secs down the road is an officer who it at the scene before you as an unrelated party have time to drive off. He comes to ask if you saw anything and then notices the cam and asks for the card in order to check for evidence.
Would refusing to hand over the card not be deemed withholding evidence?
They're guidelines, not all forces follow them.
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Most do though.
yes, purely because if the motorist takes it to court, then this could be used as a defense, accuracy of speedo etc.
it would be a waste of tax payers money to go after this lot.
and I am aware that I am quoting a copper, hope I am right lol
A speedo can over read by upto 10% it cannot under read so by the time you've been flashed at 80 your speedo could be showing almost 90.
So you'll be well aware that you're peeing all over the limit.
this, I imagine would be painfull
You admit to speeding, which presents just as strong a danger to any of the vehicles around you. Including vehicles containing other people's children.
You're a hypocrite. Hand yourself in immediately. Would you not think of the children???.
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If.
And if.
But the question you quoted referred to
So, I'm parked in a side road when a passing vehicle is hit by a another vehicle, perhaps a suspected drink driver, and my dashcam is pointed at the scene of the incident. I'm not involved in the incident at all. What are your s.19 grounds for lawfully being in my "premises", in the absence of warrant or consent, in order to seize property, and what grounds do you have for considering it "necessary" to seize, rather than seek voluntary cooperation?
Bear in mind, the same logic would apply if my premised were a fixed dwelling, and evidence were CCTV coverage.
Yes, s.19 gives you grounds IF the circumstances are right. It is not a blanket justification for seizing any and all dashams or CCTV equipment because you think it might contain evidence.
Then, there's potential for problems if either journalistic materials or legal privilege are issues, though those are going to be rare situations.
As I said, s.19 is a general power but it's more restricted than a simple yes, it gives police a power to seize. It depends on the situation.
How certain are you that said dashcam is running at exactly 1:1 speed? You know what these cheap Chinese electronics are like
