Can you fly, Bobby?

Zip said:
Fox.
If you really wanted to, you could drive a golf fast it will just take longer to get to the high speed.
If you had the scoob at the same speed and you take a bend in both cars you will find that the scoob is as stable as a mountain goat compared to the golf and you will have more chance of getting around the corner.
The moral to this story is all cars can be driven fast but some cars handle better then others and are safer.
It could be all the imported scoobs that are effecting the insurance price for them over there :confused:

What?

No matter how many elextronic gadgets you have on the car or how many wheels are driven you can't defy the laws of physics, nothing would have stoped that car going airborn other than going slower, if he was driving a golf he wouldn't have been going as fast so perhaps not launched it into the air or gone as far into the field and wouldn't have hit the tree.
 
Firestar_3x said:
What?

No matter how many elextronic gadgets you have on the car or how many wheels are driven you can't defy the laws of physics, nothing would have stoped that car going airborn other than going slower, if he was driving a golf he wouldn't have been going as fast so perhaps not launched it into the air or gone as far into the field and wouldn't have hit the tree.

It wasnt the acceleration that got him killed, it was the speed he was going. A golf doesn't accelerate as quick but it still build up speed over time to get fast enough to do that.
Even though my post wasn't directed to the crash it self but in general safety
 
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Thanks Fox, that was exactly what I am trying to say...

Okay, the fors and against...

Yes its true there are many younger drivers that have the skillz and also have a large degree of common sense, dont drive like morons but

There are a large number exceeding that who have poor observations skills, drive too close, accelerate harder than is safe, go too fast around corners, couldnt counter a skid if their life depended on it (which it often does) and far far worse, show off to other people they have in the car risking their lives as well...

Some of those grow up and continue driving the same way, but many learn, mature and drive more safely... usually after a few accidents...

I myself am not alone in having 3 accidents in my life...

1. traveling too fast on country lanes when lost (only 30mph believe it or not) but the bend I came accross was no more than 15 mph max!!!!

2. Shunting someone up the back at a roundabout pulling out!

3. skidding on a freshly wet road

All of these prior to reaching 22

Since then the only accidents I have had have been non-fault....

The point is that had the guy been in a golf 1.6 he would have been far less likely to have had an accident of this type, and no better or worse off had he managed it... I am sure the golf n-cap ratings far exceed that of an impreza wrx/sti so in a lessor speed accident he would probably have fared better...

Not having had an accident at a young age can equally be put down to luck in a lot of circumstances, as I bet many here who havent had an accident have had some very near misses...

As for the impreza being as safe as houses compared to a golf, I would disagree... on a wet or slippery road, the focussed nature of the car makes it less compliant in a lot of circumstances and far less forgiving than than a much lessor powered golf... You are more likely to be in a high speed situation in an impreza than a 1.6 golf, and speed means things get out of control far more quickly...

If you are gonna drive a car in a spirited manner, then the best place for it is a track, sadly however, many young (and some older ones, usually in BMW's ;)) drivers think the road is their own personal track and everyone else should just get out of the darn way... They overtake dangerously, and approach bends with 100% commitment, meaning any obstacle or danger they come accross part way around is usually unavoidable...

The Govt stopped younger motorcyclists from riding 150bhp monsters at a young age and this sent many young men onto high performance cars instead... Movies like F&F glamourise street racing and these drivers try to emulate their hero's on the road as they cannot afford to do a track day and be happy with that..

Yes there are exceptions to the rule, like I said in my early posts, some drivers use their cars responsibly on the road, and drive quickly on track days, good on them... but sadly they are a minority compared to the others..

I bet no more than a handful of contributors to this forum can declare a claim free history prior to age 25...

;)
 
Zip said:
It was the acceleration that got him killed, it was the speed he was going. A golf doesn't accelerate as quick but it still build up speed over time to get fast enough to do that.
Even though my post wasn't directed to the crash it self but in general safety

Dude we have twisty roads here (well in the UK)... chances of the golf making the same speed as an Impreza on a country lane... almost nil...

:p

EDIT: Accident was in America... so who knows

;)
 
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I bet no more than a handful of contributors to this forum can declare a claim free history prior to age 25...

Im there.
And thats after owning a Rover tubo, Astra GTE, Civic VTi, although Id love to say Id never made a mistake, some luck has helped me along the way.
 
I'll be 3rd

Had my 220 Turbo (very modified now) For 5 years since the age of 19. Only 7 months till I'm 25.

No claims/ accidents yet. (touchs wood). Lost count of the people who told me I would have crashed it by now :p
 
MrMatteh said:
so, he hit the *one* tree in the field?!

that must be gutting

Yeah it was the one just by the side of the road after he took a jump over an incline in the tarmac... It was most likely an attempt to emulate a rally driver jump, but those who have tried it in controlled circumstances will tell you, that the landing is the hard part, the take off is easy...

(Mountain at cadwell btw)

;)
 
Dr Who said:
Glad to see you guys have recognised a bit of luck being a factor...

;)
Nah just facts isn't it.

Wouldn't say it was luck. Ive never gone off the road and MISSED a tree
 
Simon said:
Nah just facts isn't it.

Wouldn't say it was luck. Ive never gone off the road and MISSED a tree

Thats coz your probably intelligent enough not to try to get your car airborne over a hump I would guess...

;)
 
Good grief!

Any car hitting a stationary object at 80mph is going to be obliterated. An Impreza can do 80mph and so can most other cars on the road.

I would assume the reason why this car has been singled out is because its an Impreza and another reason is probably because of the lads young age.

You can't argue with the fact that if you are young, you are in that age group considered to be more likely to have accidents. Insurers work on statistics and are not just being tight to the young.

This business of arguing about who is a safe driver in the eyes of insurers is as though some people take it as a personal insult to thier ability to drive a car. The most probable reason why most young drivers on here haven't had an accident is becuase we share common interests and in the main share an appreciation of fast cars and what it means to drive cars fast.

Taking a poll on Motors wouldn't work becuase most on here are aware that speed doesn't kill you its the way you drive that ultimately dictates your survival.
 
EddScott said:
This business of arguing about who is a safe driver in the eyes of insurers is as though some people take it as a personal insult to thier ability to drive a car. The most probable reason why most young drivers on here haven't had an accident is becuase we share common interests and in the main share an appreciation of fast cars and what it means to drive cars fast.

Yes, to be honest I am surprised the young guys who claim to be so safe arent aware that other young drivers around them are such a potential hazard..

;)
 
[TW]Fox said:
So the small matter of the fact that the car is ridiculously powerful and can be doing utterly ridiculous speeds in a matter of seconds doesn't factor?

Can you please report your findings to my insurance company as I'd love to be able to insure an Impreza for the same or less than a Golf 1.6 if, as you say, the chances of me stacking it are so much lower.

Thanks.

The reason why they are expensive to insure has nothing to do with how safe they are. It's because of the kind of driver they attract, that's the main factor in the premium, they just attract a certain kind of driver.

If I was to go out on a track with a relative novice driver and get really tell the driver to push it, they be far more likely to come a cropper in the Golf than the Impreza, even more likely on the road where the 4WD will help out on slippery surfaces and odd cambers.
 
Muncher said:
The reason why they are expensive to insure has nothing to do with how safe they are. It's because of the kind of driver they attract, that's the main factor in the premium, they just attract a certain kind of driver.

And thats the reason I said "23yr old and Impreza turbo is a recipie for disaster"

I recently aquired a Forester S/Tb JDM spec with only a 240 bhp motor, and I tell you its fearsomely quick for the type of car, and it doesnt have anything like the grip or handling of the Impreza...

Strangely, tho correctly as Muncher pointed out, they dont attract "boy racers" as they have less cred, dont handle as well, even tho when slightly modified will embarrass many stock wrx owners... so are far cheaper to insure...

Although I have to say, from time to time, I am known to drive way over the speed limit, but I know what the car can and cant do.. thats something far younger drivers learn through mistakes rather than a gradual build up until they approach the limits...

The fact is that as many young drivers are hurt and killed in far lessor cars, so putting them in a scooby turbo is a bit silly really... as they will be travelling at far higher speeds when they make the mistakes...

I had an Alfa 33 permanent 4 when i was 27, I got pulled by the police for drifting it around a large roundabout in the middle of the night... The officer complimented me on my handling and control of the vehicle, but stressed that I should drive more responsibly on public roads, as I just might not know if someone else is gonna pull out with no lights on after coming home from the pub....

He didnt charge me, but it made me think far more about taking risks on what I thought was a safe piece of road....

Since then I have always driven on the basis of what could go wrong, I should have learned that at a much younger age really, as I am sure many of you guys here have done, judging by the number of responsible guys on this thread...

I KNOW my driving could be better even though I have had many years accident free on the road and racing, but one fellow racer I know of takes stupid risks on the road.. so bad I wont get in the car with him any more...

:cool:
 
Dr Who said:
Since then I have always driven on the basis of what could go wrong

I can honestly say that what you said has been my approach since day 1 of driving, but at the end of the day, not every driver is responsible at any given age. But a lot of the under 25s do let us considerate (careful) drivers down :(
 
Dr Who said:
Since then I have always driven on the basis of what could go wrong

Ive always drivin like that, im only 17 aswell and only had my licence 4 or 5 months.
My instructor taught me to be aware of things like cars coming from other roads etc, etc. :)
 
To be fair I thought I always had as well...

But so much doesnt occur to you as hazardous when you are younger...

Sometimes it needs pointing out, but when young, a lot of people insist on learning by their own mistakes....

Some are more mature than others tho...

:D

Would also like to add that I consider my 7 to be far more dangerous than a Scoob...

:eek:
 
Dr Who said:
I bet no more than a handful of contributors to this forum can declare a claim free history prior to age 25...

;)

im another, first accident at 26, car drove into back of me while i was stopped at traffic lights :/
 
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