Can You Solve 'The Hardest Logic Puzzle In The World'?

God one might be worth tackling by solving some simpler versions... two gods - one true, one random. One true, one false... initially try with yes/no... then try three goods but with yes/no initially rather than the abstract words... it seemingly doesn't matter which is yes or no...
 
Ask A 'If I asked B is he False would he say Da?'

Weirdly If B happens to be random, A being either False or True, can't answer my question, as they don't know what he will say, which vexes me somewhat.
 
you could ask if he lies... or rather what he would say if you asked if he lies... both the random and false one tell lies
 
I still don't get the dragon one. I simply cant see how telling them that at least one of them has green eyes changes anything for them. They all know that at least one of them has green eyes.
 
Jono8 said:
I still don't get the dragon one. I simply cant see how telling them that at least one of them has green eyes changes anything for them. They all know that at least one of them has green eyes.
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It's all because it sets a starting point which they can measure against. They all heard it on exactly the same day so now there's a time frame to work with, before there wasn't.
 
R4z0r said:
It's all because it sets a starting point which they can measure against. They all heard it on exactly the same day so now there's a time frame to work with, before there wasn't.
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But all the dragons already knew that all the other dragons knew that at least one of them had green eyes.
 
Jono8 said:
But all the dragons already knew that all the other dragons knew that at least one of them had green eyes.
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And not wanting to turn into sparrows and being infallibly logical they blanked anything that could be used to work out what colour their eyes were out of their mind.
 
Rroff said:
And not wanting to turn into sparrows and being infallibly logical they blanked anything that could be used to work out what colour their eyes were out of their mind.
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desire/blanking stuff out... irrelevant

they didn't have anything that could be used to work out what colour their eyes were and they didn't discuss it... the visitor brought up the subject and gave them a starting point
 
Jono8 said:
But all the dragons already knew that all the other dragons knew that at least one of them had green eyes.
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Yes, but they didn't know with absolute certainty that all of the other dragons knew simultaneously previously. They all gain that crucial knowledge together simultaneously when the guy leaves and tells them.

As I said before, it is a fairly poorly worded version of another similar puzzle.

There is an implication that at no point previously have all dragons been in a group where they have known for sure that all other dragons can all be sure that they and everyone else knows that there is at least 1 dragon with green eyes.

Previously there was always some doubt that one dragon might have never seen another dragon, or that by the time they could be sure of this they weren't sure exactly when it occurred and so had no way to assume anything about their current/previous state.
 
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Jono8 said:
But all the dragons already knew that all the other dragons knew that at least one of them had green eyes.
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Actually, you're right, I don't think I understand it well enough to explain. I just read the solution and I think I'm missing it.

This is actually really hard to understand properly...
 
div0 said:
Yes, but they didn't know with absolute certainty that all of the other dragons knew simultaneously previously. They all gain that crucial knowledge together simultaneously when the guy leaves and tells them.

As I said before, it is a fairly poorly worded version of another similar puzzle.
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But they all knew and have known since being all together that each dragon knows that at least one of them has green eyes.
 
was able to do the god's one with yes/no answers and 4 questions... then combined two of the questions and can do it with yes/no but not with ja/da.... frustrating!!!
 
dowie said:
was able to do the god's one with yes/no answers and 4 questions... then combined two of the questions and can do it with yes/no but not with ja/da.... frustrating!!!
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I'm pretty sure this works:

div0 said:
But I think I'm on right lines. You need to phrase the questions similar to how I did above to help eliminate ja/da translation.

Also need to eliminate random.

So something like: to A; if I asked you if B is random, would you say ja?

Then based on answer, I think you can work out one who cannot be random.

Ask that god a question like: if I asked you if you're true, would you say ja?

Then you should be able to work out if that god is true or false. Then simply ask them if one of others is random.

On phone so can't really explain better. But been through it in my head and think it works
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Does that help? I can try to explain in more detail, but its quite complicated because you have to chose 2nd/3rd question and who to subsequently ask, based on answer to first question.

Try to eliminate the 'random' god with first question.
 
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Hikari Kisugi said:
Does ya or da actually matter?
Can you not still determine who is who no matter the result of ya or da?
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I can't as I can't tell the difference between - for example - NO, YES, NO and YES, NO, YES when using ya and da.... think I need to combine/ask more convoluted questions to get the meaning of the words out too...
 
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