Canadian Grand Prix 2011, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - Race 7/19
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Bad times with the commentary back then
Indeed...! *Shudder*
Its brawn from brawn from ferrari from ferrari from red bull from
Did anyone else use the word "from" as often as that guy? I swear they didn't
This is exactly what I noticed!
If you notice, Brundle had started using the same word a lot. He even uses it now. However, before Leggard, I don't remember Brundle using that term.
He does but either its not quite as often or something else as I don't want to rip his heart out with a spoon.
Does anyone know if Murray used to do it? I know he made some gaffes but I don't remember ever hearing it before Legard.
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I know Murray on occasion would use the word "leads" quite a bit. As in "Ferrari leads Tyrrell, leads Ligier, leads McLaren" or similar. Or he would just omit the middle word entirely like he did in Australia '00 as they started the second lap - "McLaren, McLaren, Ferrari, Jordan, Ferrari", as Mika, DC, Schumacher, Frentzen and Rubens completed lap 1.
"You have built me a monster of a car" at the end of Turkey........the last race JB won for Brawn.... made me cringe hearing that again
Was a great car, pity the team had no money to develop it thru the season
The use of "from" never bothered me, perfectly understandable (while possibly a little lazy to always use it rather than alternating with other forms), but in general Leggard was awful
Was a great car, pity the team had no money to develop it thru the season
The use of "from" never bothered me, perfectly understandable (while possibly a little lazy to always use it rather than alternating with other forms), but in general Leggard was awful
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Indeed but didn't matter much did it
Just shows how fast the car was to begin with. With a large budget and development through the season, you can only imagine how many more they would have won.
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Probably the best 'starting-money special' ever to grace a Formula One grid
Says something for the car and for the drivers' ability to grind points finishes out over a 17 race season that they managed to win both championships despite the screw-up of not committing to a B-spec chassis production run when it was clear that the car they were running would give them a bloody good shot at the title. Who knows how many more races JB and RB could have won with a less-compromised chassis that hadn't had six inches lopped off the back to make room for an engine that it wasn't designed to take?Also says something about how utterly and spectacularly useless the opposition were that year if they couldn't beat a journeyman playboy and an old guy driving a lashed-up contraption that was overweight, with an over-high CoG and that had trouble getting heat into the tyres....
Probably the best 'starting-money special' ever to grace a Formula One grid
I can't speak of what happened over 20 years ago, but imagine the 1992 FW14B would also compete for that title.
As you say though, that 2009 BrawnGP car was a hack job, when they had to change engine supplier at very short notice. I think engine change was announced 6 weeks before the start of the first race. This meant that the car arrived very late on the scene with very little testing.
What they achieved (ie. the team was a shambles, engine was changed at short notice, virtually no testing), was unprecedented and it is unlikely that in my lifetime I will see anything like that happen again. All the stats suggested that the car would be glued to the back (due to all of the above problems) of the grid all season, and that was the year that I swore blind that the BGP car would be at the back of the grid.
Anyway, normal service has been resumed since, where no freak out-of-the-ordinary cars have been built. Generally, the cars which have a good (uncomplicated/uncertain) development cycle (pre-season), tend to do well once the season starts.
The opposition was weak that season. In 2009 McLaren screwed up spectacularly. It took them half a season to catch up and if memory serves me correct, Hamilton was the top points scorer in the second half of the season. Meanwhile Alonso, was in a car which was abysmal. Had Alonso and Hamilton been in good cars, from the word go, things would've been different.
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They didn't screw up, McLaren and Ferrari had just focused all of their resources on winning the championships the year before. Unfortunately, with a big rule change this was the worst time to do it.
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I can't speak of what happened over 20 years ago, but imagine the 1992 FW14B would also compete for that title.
The FW14B was hardly a starting-money special. A), it was a development of an existing car, B) it was nowhere near as much of a compromise as the BGP 001 (though it was a compromise, since it was originally designed as a passively suspended car that then had active suspension thrown at it) and C), everyone knew with 110% certainty that it would be a title contender. Even following testing, it wasn't a sure bet that the Brawn car had the legs over the field for a championship.
Im not suggesting its comparable to the issues at Brawn at the start of that season but you cant say this year's McLaren had an easy early developement , they had really bad issues in testing imo!!!
Also while the engine change etc with teh Brawn was major without doubt, the Double Diffuser (which Brawn had mentioned in technical "round tables" discussion a year previously and been ignored) was what made the majority of the early races reasonably easy to win.
McLaren and Ferrari missed a trick totally, but otherwise had pretty good cars from what I remember (although RB had the class of the field re non-DD cars admittedly, and this was a little unreliable from what I recall)
From what I remember, McLaren had a terrible car. Hamilton, was dragging it around in first half of the season. In the 2nd half of that 2009 season, the McLaren was competitive and as a result was the top points scorer in the 2nd half of the season. Unfortunately for him, the damage had already been done.
Alonso meanwhile, was at Renault, who had produced a dog of a car, so there was no competition from the the 2006 and 2008 champions.
Ferrari meanwhile had produced a car which was difficult to drive, though it did develop as the season progressed. In this way, the 2007 champion was effectively out of the race.
This left the way clear from Button, Barrichello, Vettel and Webber to battle it out. Button was the superior driver of those 4, that year and rightfully won.
Alonso meanwhile, was at Renault, who had produced a dog of a car, so there was no competition from the the 2006 and 2008 champions.
Ferrari meanwhile had produced a car which was difficult to drive, though it did develop as the season progressed. In this way, the 2007 champion was effectively out of the race.
This left the way clear from Button, Barrichello, Vettel and Webber to battle it out. Button was the superior driver of those 4, that year and rightfully won.
With regards to McLaren's poor testing in 2011: McLaren and press all said that this mainly down to the octupus exhaust system which McLaren just couldn't get their head around. The moment the octopus was replaced with the conventional exhaust system (ie. a they went a step back), they appeared to all of a sudden, gain 1s/lap, which seemed to have made them competitive.
Had they abandoned the octopus exhaust earlier (in testing), they almost certainly would've put in more respectable test times in testing.
You can't really compare BrawnGP who had a disastrous pre-season (with the exception of the testing session they attended) and then turned up to the first GP of the season and blew the competition away.
Had they abandoned the octopus exhaust earlier (in testing), they almost certainly would've put in more respectable test times in testing.
You can't really compare BrawnGP who had a disastrous pre-season (with the exception of the testing session they attended) and then turned up to the first GP of the season and blew the competition away.